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Pepsi & Coke
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Anatomy
Joe West
The Investigation
James Files 1994
Faith Files
Chauncey Holt
Tosh Plumlee
Judyth Baker
Ed Haslam
Black Ops
Bob Bennett
George Bush
Researchers
Jack Ruby
Gary Mack
Bruce and Wim
Zack and Jim
Bob Vernon
The Three Tramps
The Zapruder Film
The Headshots
The Grassy Knoll
Murder Myths
Throat wound
Badgeman
South Knoll
$ 1000 Reward
Why is Files in jail?
Is Files for real?
Jim Garrison
Conclusion
The Autopsy
Warren Omission
The Cover-Up
Oswald & the CIA
VSA Test
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Reasons Why
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Jada
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Oswald and CIA
Teethmarks
Terrormasters
Nixon-Ruby
NSA letter
Oswald
Bush-Nixon
David Phillips
Headpoint
PR
Prescott
Ritchson
Sturgis
A Thought
Zack
Witness Report

"If you shut up the truth and bury it under the ground, it will but grow, and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through it will blow up everything in its way."

- French author Emile Zola

"Treason does never prosper.
What's the reason?
When it prospers,
None dare call it treason."

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CONFIDENTIAL REPORT
JAMES E. FILES a/k/a JAMES E. SUTTON
a/k/a Sergio Castillo a/k/a John Felter a/k/a Henry Sanders
© 1998 JFKMURDERSOLVED.COM All Rights Reserved
This private, impartial investigation started in 1989 and was initiated by a Texas Private Investigator, the late Joe West of Houston, Texas, through a non-profit, educational Texas corporation known as Truth, Truth, Truth, Inc.
As of this writing, the investigation has cost over $1,000,000 and has taken 13 years. The investigation is ongoing and all new evidence will be posted here as it is gathered and verified.

Read the full chain of events click here.
The following information was gathered by Certified Legal Investigator Joe H. West (deceased), Houston criminal attorney Don Ervin, California television producer Robert G. Vernon, John C. Grady, official historian for the 82nd Airborne, a major USA detective agency, and from the files of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
OVERVIEW
In 1992, a Beaumont, Texas FBI agent, Zack Shelton, informed Truth, Truth, Truth Inc. And Houston criminal attorney Don Ervin that there was a man in prison that he believed to have knowledge of the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
Agent Shelton, a former Chicago Organized Crime Strike Force member, stated that the prisoner is a "legitimate mobster" - had been the "driver-bodyguard" for Chicago Mafia hitman Charles Nicoletti - has a long history of violent crime - and had been tortured and left for dead shortly after the murder of Charles Nicoletti in 1977, prior to Nicoletti testifying before the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
Agent Shelton also stated that he has long suspected that the Chicago Mafia was involved in the murder of President Kennedy, however, he has never been able to gather sufficient evidence to prove it.
(NOTE: Following Agent Shelton's disclosure of the prisoner to Truth, Truth, Truth, Inc. And attorney Ervin, Agent Shelton informed Houston criminal attorney Don Ervin that his FBI superiors had threatened him with the loss of his job and his government pension should Agent Shelton's name ever surface again in association with the JFK assassination. Texas State Judge Charles Carver of Beaumont also verified this fact after speaking directly with Agent Shelton. The FBI has twice declined written requests for Agent Shelton to be interviewed, on camera, regarding James E. Files.)
After an exhaustive search, Truth, Truth, Truth, Inc. located the prisoner in Joliet, Illinois.
This report is contains pertinent evidence and data gathered regarding the life of the prisoner, James E. Files alias James E. Sutton.
THE FOLLOWING IS CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY AND READERS ARE INSTRUCTED TO PAY CAREFUL ATTENTION TO THE WARNING NOTICE AT THE TOP OF THIS PAGE.
REPORT

James E. Files a/k/a James E. Sutton a/k/a John Mandel a/k/a James Felter a/k/a Sergio Castillo was born in a small country farmhouse just outside Oakman, Alabama on January 24, 1942. His older sister, Mary Pearl Files, was born at the same farmhouse in 1936. Files's mother Vera (nee Lollar) was married to Jasper Daltman "J.D." Files although Lesly Sutton was the biological father of James E. Files. When J. D. Files learned of his wife's affair with Sutton, they were divorced. Vera left Alabama, moving to California, where she married Lesly Sutton. James Files took the last name of Sutton. Shortly thereafter Lesly Sutton was killed at Boulder Dam.
James E. Files's mother is deceased (1970). His mother's first husband, J. D. Files, passed away in 1997. The elder Files's sister-in-law, Christine Shelton of Nashville (Vera's sister), stated that there were also some adopted kids, at least two boys, possibly three, by J. D. Files during a later marriage. One is Raymond Files, an Alabama minister.
James E. Files states that he used the name Sutton (although he was born as "Files") until 1963 and there are numerous records available to substantiate his claim. His first wife Eleanor recalls that Files asked her of she wanted to be married under the name Sutton or Files. His aunt Christine recalls that he used the name Sutton all throughout his early school years. When his mother moved to California, he attended Castle Rock Grammar School in Valley Springs, California. There are no school records available.
The Sutton/Files family moved to Melrose Park, Illinois in the late 1940s, where he grew up in a tough Italian neighborhood. He was labeled as a juvenile delinquent by the local police chief (Chief Giles or Jiles), bought his first car at age fourteen, was known for riding motorcycles and he raced stock cars when he was in his early to mid-twenties. His first wife's family expressed strong disfavor of the marriage due to his history of juvenile delinquency.
Files killed his first man at the age of sixteen, avenging his sister's murder (Mary Pearl Johnson) in St. Louis, decapitating her killer at close range with a shotgun.
Files stated that he joined the U.S. Army in 1959, entered the 82nd Airborne, and was sent to Vietnam (Laos) as part of Operation White Star. Files did intelligence work and was among the first U.S. covert combat troops sent into Laos in 1959.
(NOTE: Historical records indicate that Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy called these first troops "advisors" and that US military troops were present in Vietnam as early as 1953 - Col. Fletcher Prouty, former Head of Clandestine Services for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the liaison between the Pentagon and the White House from 1956-1963 stated that U.S. troops had been in Vietnam since WW II. Prouty also confirmed operation "White Star.")

In early interviews, Files stated that the CIA has tried to erase all traces of his service record (S-1 record), his school records and his birth certificate. No records of his school history or birth have been located, however, an aunt by marriage recalls an Alabama lawyer once located his birth certificate which was stamped "deceased at birth." Three recent searches (1994-95-96) for Files's birth certificate have been to no avail. For all practical purposes, James E. Sutton alias James E. Files is "the man who was never born."
Despite the fact that the FBI issued a written report questioning Files's military background, and a major national private investigative agency has issued a written report which states that no trace of Files's purported military records could be located, John C. Grady, the official historian of the 82nd Airborne and the 505th Parachute Division RCT, located Files's U.S. Army serial number and a Veterans Administration claim number in an "inactive" file at a remote regional VA office and through the VA computer in St. Louis.
After an exhaustive 18 month search, historian Grady verified that Files had indeed entered the Army in 1959 and went into the 82nd Airborne before being sent to Laos on July 10, 1959. Files speaks in a distinct military manner with no remorse for anyone he has ever killed. One year later, in early 1996, historian Grady checked the service record of Files again. No records were found and all files under the name "James E. Files" were marked "no further information available."
Files stated that he spent approximately 14 months in the armed services and that he was in danger of a court martial at Ft. Mead, Maryland for certain events that happened regarding the Laotian Army. He allegedly killed two of his own men to "save face" with the Laotian Army. Files has also identified the U.S. Army JAG officer that handled his court martial as "Howell" or "Powell." Files states that he was placed into the Hines Veterans Hospital in Maywood, Illinois for 90 days of "evaluation" - however, there were no hospital records located by the FBI.
Files states that he was then recruited by David Atlee Phillips of the CIA. There are no public records that indicate this is true, however, in a letter sent to his aunt Christine from Vietnam, Files wrote "the government has turned me into a killing machine." Files also confessed that his government work became "over-extended."
Several known CIA operatives and CIA contract pilot Robert "Tosh" Plumlee recall a "young hitter from Chicago, who got into trouble down in Mexico and had to be bailed out by Frank Sturgis of the CIA." Incarcerated Mafia assassin Lenny Patrick has testified that James E. Files alias Jimmy Sutton was associated with the Chicago mob and Charles Nicoletti. A former CIA-US ARMY intelligence officer who was stationed in Florida in 1963 has also identified James E. Files as being involved with the JM/WAVE CIA covert headquarters in Miami during the early 1960s.
Files was "handpicked" to drive for mob hitman/"enforcer" Charles Nicoletti in late 1961 or early 1962 and became a "favorite" of Nicoletti. There are several witnesses who testified that Files knew Nicoletti extremely well including members of Files's second wife's family (Arnold/ Kay Marbry) and a Chicago service station/garage owner.
The garage owner (where Files was once employed) stated that Nicoletti would let only Files "touch" or work on Nicoletti's personal vehicles. Two of Files's Chicago "buddies" recall Files and Nicoletti as "being very close" and have agreed to grant television interviews to that effect. Both "buddies" and Files's aunt and uncle by marriage recall that they were introduced to Charles Nicoletti by Files.
Files stated that the FBI has pictures of Nicoletti and him together and he has clearly detailed the circumstances of how and when the pictures were taken by the FBI
In July of 1995, Michael Cain - brother of notorious Chicago gangster-turned-informant Richard Cain - made inquiries in Chicago about James E. Files at the request of Robert G. Vernon. Mr. Cain contacted active Mafia members and his late brother's FBI contacts both of which verified that Files was "Nicoletti's boy."
Despite requests of Files to sign a notarized statement giving permission to retrieve any and all records of the FBI and CIA that pertain to James E. Files under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), his former attorney, infamous Mafia lawyer Julius Echeles of Chicago, refused to allow Files to give the permission for the FOIA document retrieval. Of special interest is the fact that attorney Echeles received payment for representing Files via cashier's check with a footnote "From The Friends of James E. Files." The source of these payments is not known (SOURCE: Chicago Sun-Times).
Files was an "assault weapons trainer" for anti-Cuban forces training for the Playa Giron operation (the Bay of Pigs) in 1961. He claims (with some corroboration) he was an associate of several "key players" including David Atlee Phillips, Antonio Veciana, Gerry Patrick Hemming, and Frank Sturgis. Files has also named key CIA-anti Cuban forces, code names, events and certain historical places that were verified by cross reference with data supplied by known CIA pilot Robert "Tosh" Plumlee. Files also correctly identified Plumlee by his CIA codename, William R. Pearson.
Plumlee also recalls that a young Alabama boy "dropped off" Charles Nicoletti for a "CIA/Mafia flight" that Plumlee was piloting prior to 1963.
Files has stated that he signed a secrecy agreement with the CIA and has refused to provide much information about his CIA activities other than stating that he worked for the CIA from early 1961 to 1979 when he was arrested and sentenced to prison for running a Mafia "chop shop" (NOTE: The government's case included over 50 witnesses).

In addition, Files's personal memoirs, located in his private storage vault in Illinois, indicate that Files has first hand knowledge of numerous CIA activities dating from 1959 to 1979 including the death of Orlando Letellier and numerous other CIA operations in Florida, Louisiana, Texas, Cuba, and South America.
Further, his unpublished memoirs indicate that his CIA "associates" have included Michael Townley, Frank Terpil, the notorious terrorist - Orlando Bosch - the incarcerated arms dealer Ed Wilson and the deceased David Atlee Phillips, who was Files's CIA "controller." Files has stated that he worked directly for Phillips.
Files also stated that the CIA administered drugs to him in the early 1960s in an effort to extract the truth from him regarding a "certain situation."
Files's FBI "rap sheet" (FBI # 66 945 E) dates back to 1959 and includes several minor crimes as well as such major crimes as Armed Violence, Aggravated Assault, Attempted Murder of a Police Officer, Explosives, and numerous counts of Interstate Transportation of Stolen Motor Vehicles (Mafia chop shop). Files has served time in several locations including Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Illinois.
In addition, FBI and ATF documents obtained by Files through FOIA in the early 1980s (while he was incarcerated in Oxford, Wisconsin) indicate that Files has been investigated under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations statutes (RICO), and for Interstate Transportation of Stolen Property, Theft from Interstate Shipment, Extortionate Credit Transactions, Illegal Gambling Business, Police Corruption, and Possession of Illegal Firearms and Explosives.
James E. Files has confessed to acting in a conspiracy to murder John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963.
Files confessed that Sam Giancana, Johnny Rosselli and Charles Nicoletti were the other "players" in the conspiracy. Files confessed that Charles Nicoletti and he killed John F. Kennedy with two separate "head shots" fired within a split second of each other. Files confessed to firing the fatal last shot to Kennedy's right front temple from behind the grassy knoll "stockade fence."
Files confessed that he used a Remington XP-100 Fireball in the JFK assassination. He stated that the powerful, deadly accurate varmint/target pistol was given to him by David Atlee Phillips of the CIA but "not specifically for Kennedy." He claims that the "Kennedy hit" was the third time that he used the Fireball and that the weapon has been used since.
Files claims that he left a .222 caliber shell behind in Dealey Plaza after the murder. Files states that he bit the .222 shell casing, leaving his "teeth marks" on it.

In 1987, a Dallas resident and his son found a .222 "dented" shell casing buried in Dealey Plaza near the wooden fence on the grassy knoll. The casing was determined to have been buried in Dealey Plaza since 1963 by UCLA anthropology graduate Gary Hughes using the Terminus Post Quem layering technique.
Dr. Paul Stimson, a forensic odontologist from the University of Texas at Houston, as well as four other prominent forensic odontologists, examined the .222 casing and determined that the dents in the casing were indeed teeth marks. No positive identification can be made for Files now has dental plates. Of special interest is that the FBI has declined to locate Files's early dental records for a forensic dental examination by FBI experts and Dr. Stimson despite several written requests by Vernon to FBI Director, Louis Freeh.
Files stated that the .222 bullet that he fired at President Kennedy was a "special round" i.e.; a "mercury load" and that six "special rounds" were prepared for the 1963 trip by his main "weapons man," a Chicago area resident named "Wolfman" (A nickname). After being asked to have "Wolfman" corroborate this claim, Files summoned "Wolfman" to the Joliet prison and told him that he was planning on "opening up" about the JFK murder and asked "Wolfman" to speak with an investigator for Truth, Truth, Truth, Inc.
(NOTE: Wolfman died approximately one week after his visit with Files and before he could be interviewed by the investigator. His cause of death is unknown). Files also stated that the "weapons stash" kept by Nicoletti and him was secured at the old Bally Warehouse in Chicago. He stated that they kept about 40 firearms "on hand" at all times and that they were constantly modifying these guns for various "jobs."
The investigative parties herein have been unable to find any hard evidence that proves that Files was not in Dallas on November 22, 1963. The motel in which Files said he stayed in Mesquite, Texas during the week of November 18-23, 1963 was verified as having been built in 1961. The pancake house to which Files says he took John Rosselli on the morning of November 22, 1963 in Ft. Worth, Texas was verified to have been built in 1962. During the time period in question (November 18-23, 1963), no evidence has been found indicating that Sutton or Files was incarcerated or hospitalized. There are no speeding tickets issued to Sutton or Files during the time period in question. No credible witnesses have come forth to indicate that Sutton/Files was not in Dallas on 11/22/63.
Eric Buesing and Associates of Santa Ana, California, administered a Voice Stress Analysis test (VSA) of Files's videotaped confession and found a high 70% confirmation of his veracity. Buesing concluded that Files was in Dallas on November 22, 1963. A second voice stress analysis, administered by television producer Robert G. Vernon, indicated a confirmation of Files's veracity - as high as 86%.

When questioned about the "torture incident" as per the information supplied by FBI Agent Zack Shelton, Files stated that he was "kidnaped" by unknown persons shortly after the murder of Charles Nicoletti in 1977. He was held against his will in a "warehouse" at an unknown location in or near Chicago. Files's Aunt Christine also verified that Files had been tortured.
Following various methods of excruciating torture, including the insertion of an electric cattle prod into his rectum, Files was thrown, completely nude, from a speeding car and was found by police from a Chicago suburb.
Files stated that his kidnappers demanded a "package" which Charles Nicoletti gave to him following the JFK assassination. Files said that Nicoletti instructed him to "hold on to the package" for it may save his life someday.
Following his recovery from the kidnaping and torture incident, Files says he dug up the "package" and that it contained a map of the presidential motorcade route through Dealey Plaza and several Secret Service identification cards. Files stated that he destroyed the contents of the "package." Files stated that he does not believe that his kidnappers were associated with the Chicago Mafia or they would have killed him. He believes his captors were "government related."
James E. Files is currently serving 50 years at Stateville Correctional Center, Joliet, Illinois for the attempted murder of two Illinois police officers. He is in Protective Custody at the prison. His 1994 appeal was denied by the Court. Files's 1995 appeal was granted and he was scheduled for re-sentencing until he was informed, in 1996, that the appeal had been overturned.
James E. Files has written songs under the name of "Jimmy South": In two of his songs - entitled "Six Seconds in Dallas" and "I Remember Jackie" - Files's lyrics and melody paint a haunting, chilling picture of what occurred in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963.
"A Soldier Past" - a poem written by Files (located in his storage area) - was given special consideration by the editor of a magazine known as the National Vietnam Veterans Review.
Files and his oldest daughter have both received threats due to Files's confession to Truth, Truth, Truth, Inc. and producer Robert G. Vernon. Files says he has been threatened by both organized crime and the U.S. Government and has declined to further elaborate on those threats.
Files's daughter received a visit from a "representative" of organized crime in 1994 and has since - twice - relocated to a new address.

On November 18, 1994, television producer Robert G. Vernon testified to the Assassination Records Review Board (five scholars appointed by President Bill Clinton) in a public hearing in Dallas, Texas. Vernon informed the Review Board of the confession of James E. Files as relates to Files's participation in the daylight assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
In 1996, Beaumont FBI agent Zack Shelton broke a "four year silence" and verified to Michael Hytha, a Knight-Ridder reporter, that he (Shelton) had given the lead on James E. Files to Certified Legal Investigator Joe West. In a separate interview with journalist Marcella Kretter of UPI, Agent Shelton informed the reporter that the FBI had received a lead on Files from an informant. Shelton also asked Kretter not to reveal his name in her news story.
In August of 1996, Files received a letter from his new attorney (name unknown) which informed Files that a "$50,000 contract" had been placed on Files's head. Files also received a warning from a "friend in NY" that Files was in danger.
The investigation has also brought forth the man who flew John Rosselli into Dallas on 11/22/63 and the man who drove Charles Nicoletti into Dallas on the morning of 11/22/63.
Robert G. Vernon has turned all evidence on James E. Files's confession to the murder of John F. Kennedy over to President Bill Clinton, Vice-President Al Gore, U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, and FBI Director Louis Freeh.


ADDENDUM


In August of 1993, Houston criminal attorney Don Ervin negotiated a deal with the US Department of Justice - through the FBI - that included (1) immunity for Files; (2) the FBI and Ervin would go to Joliet and interview Files in a non-official capacity; and (3) following the "non-official" interview the FBI would investigate and then the US Department of Justice would possibly call a special Grand Jury to hear Files's testimony.
On August 9, 1993 - without the knowledge of attorney Ervin - two Chicago FBI agents (Zydron and Pecoraro) paid a surprise visit to Files. On August 16, 1993, the two agents authored a report of their visit with Files.
Following the FBI visit with Files, Files notified attorney Don Ervin and producer Vernon that the agents had "asked him to agree that Oswald was the lone assassin of JFK" and that the agents had threatened Files's pending appeal telling him that they had already talked to the appellate court judges (NOTE: Files's appeal was granted then later overturned).
This report was placed in the National Archives and was faxed to Vernon by the Executive Director of the Assassination Records Review Board, David Marwell, in December of 1994 (NOTE: The issuance of an official FBI report to the National Archives is highly unorthodox and the reason for this action is unknown as of this writing).
In 1996, Vernon located retired FBI agent Pecoraro in Florida. Pecoraro initially informed Vernon that he "felt like he had been used" and denied any knowledge of the US Attorney's (Chicago) approval of immunity for Files (a fact verified by attorney Ervin on August 3, 1993).
Vernon then faxed Pecoraro a copy of the 8/16/93 FBI report, which Pecoraro says he had never seen. Vernon also informed Pecoraro that it was reported that agents Zydron and Pecoraro had "muscled their way into the prison through Internal Affairs."
In their second phone discussion in 1996, retired agent Pecoraro stated that he and agent Zydron had not "muscled their way in through Internal Affairs" but had contacted the warden personally and spoken with the warden and that the warden had full knowledge of the FBI visit on 8/9/93.
Immediately following his conversation with retired agent Pecoraro, Vernon contacted former Stateville warden Salvador Godinez (now Deputy Director of the Michigan Department of Corrections) and informed Godinez that Pecoraro had told Vernon that Zydron and Pecoraro had spoken directly with the warden prior to their visit with Files and that the warden had full knowledge of their visit with Files in 1993.
Godinez' response: "That's a lie."

SPECIAL ADDENDUM

In May of 1996, the unedited confession of James E. Files was released in home video form only by a Chicago video distributor. Following the video release, the distributor was "invited" to the White House by President Bill Clinton and later given a special "nomination" to the Democratic National Advisory Board. Marketing and distribution plans were mysteriously changed, altered and even not implemented as planned. Despite these strange actions, several major video chains carried the video, including Blockbuster which promoted the video over the Thanksgiving holidays of 1996. Blockbuster re-ordered twice after starting with three rental copies for each store.
In addition, the distributor has attempted to discredit Vernon, attorney Ervin and former Warden Godinez to James Files.
In addition, in September of 1996, the tabloid program "HARD COPY" did a special two day story (9/10/96 and 9/11/96) which is still in syndication as of April 18, 1997. The focus of the story was the fact that Malcolm Summers, a reputable mature Dallas businessman - who was an eyewitness to the 1963 murder of JFK - and who is cited in the Warren Commission report as a witness - IDENTIFIED JAMES E. FILES AS THE MAN HE SAW ON THE GRASSY KNOLL IN 1963. The Hard Copy story resulted from a FIVE DAY special news series produced by a San Antonio, Texas TV station.
Immediately following the Hard Copy exposure, John R. Stockwell, a former CIA case officer, and John McAdams, a known CIA disinformation specialist and asset, went on the Internet and attempted to debunk the confession of James Files. The CIA disinformation specialist even created a special website claiming Files is a hoax.
Further, the plans of the Chicago distributor to produce a second video featuring the entire evidence gathered by the extensive investigation were mysteriously altered and on April 16, 1997, Robert G. Vernon received information from a reputable source that the distributors were releasing a second JFK video WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY INFORMATION OR MENTION OF JAMES E. FILES. This information was confirmed as true by the distributor when confronted.
In the summer of 1998, one of our top researchers was contacted by the Secret Service and was asked why he was communicating with James Files. When the researcher told the agent about Files' confession of JFK, the agent informed the researcher that "the President and his staff" were very concerned for James Files is a "threat to National Security."
It is the belief of Robert G. Vernon that the United States government, through its highest elected of



November 22, 1963
Dallas, Texas
In less than
a second,
America died.
CONTENTS
Home
Online Cinema
New book
Documentary
Book
Confession DVD
Spooks + Hoods
Lee and Frank
For beginners
Files critics
James Files 2003
Judyth Baker DVD
More evidence
Tippit killer
Luis Posada
The patsy
Special Release
Special alert
Interview Reviews
Pepsi & Coke
Presentation Wim
Anatomy
Joe West
The Investigation
James Files 1994
Faith Files
Chauncey Holt
Tosh Plumlee
Judyth Baker
Ed Haslam
Black Ops
Bob Bennett
George Bush
Researchers
Jack Ruby
Gary Mack
Bruce and Wim
Zack and Jim
Bob Vernon
The Three Tramps
The Zapruder Film
The Headshots
The Grassy Knoll
Murder Myths
Throat wound
Badgeman
South Knoll
$ 1000 Reward
Why is Files in jail?
Is Files for real?
Jim Garrison
Conclusion
The Autopsy
Warren Omission
The Cover-Up
Oswald & the CIA
VSA Test
Dallas Evidence
Dealey Plaza
Reasons Why
JFK's Skull
The Embalmer
Picture Gallery
Links
E-mail Us

JFK-Forum
Facebook Group


List of rest of pages:

ARRB 94
Cast
Files on CIA
Court Case
Doctors
Epstein
FBI Transcript
Files Family
Knoll Figure
Firebal1 XP100
Files on Files
Joe Granata
Interview
Jada
Judyth
Oswald and CIA
Teethmarks
Terrormasters
Nixon-Ruby
NSA letter
Oswald
Bush-Nixon
David Phillips
Headpoint
PR
Prescott
Ritchson
Sturgis
A Thought
Zack
Witness Report

"If you shut up the truth and bury it under the ground, it will but grow, and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through it will blow up everything in its way."

- French author Emile Zola

"Treason does never prosper.
What's the reason?
When it prospers,
None dare call it treason."

Sir John Harrington

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THE CONFESSED ASSASSIN
OF JOHN F. KENNEDY
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ABOUT THIS TRANSCRIPT
On March 22, 1994, television producer Robert G. Vernon videotaped the confession of James E. Files during which Mr. Files confessed that he fired the fatal last shot into the right front temple of John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963 in Dealey Plaza, Dallas Texas. A transcript of Mr. Files's confession follows. Included in the transcript is documentation and research (in italic font) based on existing evidence uncovered by leading JFK assassination researchers and authors. The purpose of this writing is to compare the confession of James E. Files to a majority of the evidence that has been uncovered in the last 34 years relative to the assassination. Readers are invited to review the following and to judge the veracity of Mr. Files's confession for themselves.
A NOTE ABOUT REFERENCES
References in the text are numerically keyed to the bibliography. Each reference is assigned a number and is listed by that number in the bibliography. When a reference is cited in the text, the references's bibliographic number is given. Page numbers, if any, appear after the reference number. If the entire reference is being cited, then only its number is given. For example, Mark Lane's book Rush to Judgment is listed as reference number 4 in the bibliography. If the entire book is being cited, the citation will look like this: (4). If pages 221-224 are cited from the book, the citation will appear as follows: (4:221-224). The only exceptions to this method are when information is cited or quoted from the Warren Commission's report and from the appendices to the report of the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Citations from the Warren Commission's report will be given as WCR, followed by the page number(s). Thus, WCR 32 refers to page 32 of the WCR. For the HSCA volumes, the volume number will be given, followed by the abbreviation HSCA and the page number(s). Thus, for example, 6 HSCA 110-111 refers to pages 110-111 of volume 6 of the appendices to the Select Committee's report.
TRANSCRIPTION
VIDEO TAPED CONFESSION OF JAMES E. FILES
March 22, 1994
Present: James Earl Files - Inmate, Robert G. Vernon - Producer, Bob Baxter - Cameraman, Mike Krolikiewicz - Prison Clinical Services

Location: Stateville Correctional Center, Illinois State Penitentiary, Joliet, Illinois

Time: 10:30 AM CST
Q: Please tell me your name.

A: My name is James Files and I changed my name basically at the end of 1963 for purposes of ...let me rephrase that. I took the name Files in 1963, my real name is James Sutton.

Q: Say that again.

A: My real name is James Sutton but I changed my name in late 1963 due to the fact that at that time I wished to get married and raise a family.

Q: And what is your name now?

A: Today, I'm incarcerated and I'm under the name James E. Files. I raised a family under that name, James Files.

Q: Did you change your name for any particular reason or anything involved in your past?

A: I changed my name for a particular reason because I had been working with a radical Cuban group and what we wanted to do at that time was to protect my identity so they wouldn't know who I really was when I got married because of my family life. I didn't want anyone to retaliate on the things that we were doing so I took on a different name that was authorized to me through a government agency.

Q: Were you ever in the armed services?

A: I was in the 82nd Airborne. I went in '59...1959, date of entry...January and in July 10 of 1959, I believe it was July 10, we shipped out to Laos. I was 82nd Airborne.(1)

Q: What were some of your duties?
A: My duties at that time...we were working a special operations group to work with the Laotian Army in Laos at that time. I was there strictly as an advisor..on training...with small automatic weapons...setting detonators, explosives, mechanical ambushes. There was just a handful of Americans working with the Laotians at that time.

Q: How long did you serve there?
A: I was there through...approximately 14 months I was in Laos..before I came home.
Q: You mentioned to me at one time that you were in jeopardy of being court martialed could you elaborate on that a little bit?
A: I really don't wish to elaborate on that part of the court martial. It had to do in the field but not of cowardice, it was something that I did to hold face with the Laotian Army.
Q: Could you tell me how you first became involved in organized crime activities?
A: Well, I first became...it''s a strange way to start out...but I was racing stock cars and driving at a local track and Mr. Nicoletti had taken a shine to my driving and he'd watched me on several occasionsand he had asked me once if I would drive him one evening. I took him out and test drove his car that we'd just picked up..a brand new Ford...and he was pretty well pleased with my driving and from then on I became more like an assigned driver to him and I did several drivings for him on different jobs that he did.

Q: Who was Charles Nicoletti?
A: Charles Nicoletti, at that time, he was an up and coming figure with organized crime and he was known as one of the local hitman. As far as I'm concerned he was the best that ever lived, as far as I'm concerned.(2)

Q: What Mafia family did he work for?

A: He was out of the Chicago family.
Q: Who would have been the boss of the Chicago family?

A: At that time, Tony Accardo.
Q: That's before Giancana or after Giancana?
A: Tony Accardo handed it up...headed it up....then Giancana came after that. Giancana at that time was one of the underlings, I guess you might say he was the...one of the top lieutenants at that point. Things were handed out in different branches in organized crime such as someone might handle the liquor license, someone would handle the loan sharking and booking, someone would handle the contracts for murder for hire and anything like that.(3)
Q: James, where were you on November 22, 1963?

A: On November 22, 1963, I was in Dealey Plaza. I arrived at Dealey Plaza shortly before 10 AM that morning.
Q: What was your reason for being there?
A: My reason for being there at that point was to look the area over. I had driven a vehicle down there and I had taken several weapons to Dallas, Texas.

Q: For what purpose did you do this?

A: I did this for the sole purpose for the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

Q: Who instructed you to do this, James? Tell me the story...in your words...
A: The story started back....oh, roughly six months prior to that when Mr. Nicoletti contacted me one evening and I had met with him and he instructed me that we was going to do a friend of mine. It was more like a personal joke because I had never liked John F. Kennedy since the Chianos Bay affair which was the Bay of Pigs.

Q: Were you at the Bay of Pigs, Jimmy?

A: No, I was not at the Bay of Pigs but I had helped train several of the operatives that were involved at the Bay of Pigs.
Q: When you say "helped train them" what do you mean?
A: I helped train them on what they call..we called it "Gator Ridge" back then, some people refer to it as "No Name Key" some people call it "Assassin Ridge" it was in the Everglades down there in Florida.(5) We worked solely with the Cubans at that time...we had supplied them with weapons...the weapons had come basically from the government...from the CIA...they had been heavily involved in that. And at that time, David Atlee Phillips was my controller. So I had never liked Kennedy since he had backed out on us and we didn't get enough firepower and I felt that we had been betrayed.(6) But, I, at that point, I had never even considered killing anybody at all over the situation, but when Charles Nicoletti told me that we were going to do my friend, I thought that they were referring to a local party in town and I said why what the hell did he do. He laughed, he says no not him, we're going to do John F. Kennedy, the president. I was a little bit shocked at first but I said hey fine, great, don't matter to me. I was game for anything he wanted to do. And then we discussed it and then he asked me what I thought about Johnny Rosselli(9) working with us and I told him hey fine I like Johnny..got no problems there.

Q: So you knew John Rosselli before that day?

A: I knew John Rosselli before that day.
Q: How did you meet him?

A: I had met John Rosselli in Miami and discussed a few things with him and he...I had met him through David Atlee Phillips...David Atlee Phillips was an operative for the CIA. Through time everybody got to be fairly well good friends but I grew up basically under Chuck's wing...Mr. Nicoletti's wing. Chuck had told me we were going to do it. We'd first originally planned to do the assassination in Chicago but a lot of people didn't like that idea so then it was moved to another location.

Q: When you say "we planned it" could you clarify "we"?
A: Well when I say we...I was just with Mr. Nicoletti. Whatever he said do, I would do. When I say we, I'm referring like...the only thing I did was just drive the car or whatever that they needed me for. Mr. Nicoletti had asked me then at that point when we'd decided not to do it in Chicago and it was going to be moved to Dallas...when John F. Kennedy had decided to go to Dallas...a week in advance, I took the '63 Chevrolet that we had at that time..I left and I went down a week earlier. I picked up the weapons from the storage bin that we had and loaded them in the car with everything that I thought we might need..with a various assortment...and I left and I drove to Dallas. I stayed out at a place in Mesquite, Texas.(11) Once I got there, I called back and notified Mr. Nicoletti that I was thee and on the scene. The following day, Lee Harvey Oswald came by the motel where I was at...they had given him my location...and he took me out to a place somewhere southeast of Mesquite where I test fired the weapons and calibrated the scopes on anything that might be needed. Then he was with me for a few days in town there...we drove around...so I would know all the streets and not run into any dead ends streets if anything went wrong and we had to flee from the area.

Q: So Lee Oswald spent time with you...he knew why you were there, you knew why he was there...?
A: Lee Harvey Oswald knew that I was there but I never told him why I was there. He had just been come over and told to stay with me and to help me out and to assist in any way he could. Lee Harvey Oswald and I never discussed the assassination of John F. Kennedy. I discussed that with no one. Because my part of it...I had no part of the assassination at that time...all I did was go down, take the car down, take the weapons down, clean the weapons, calibrate the scopes, make sure everything was functioning properly and then know the immediate area surrounding Dealey Plaza back to the expressways and the other local highways that could be used as an extraction point to leave Dallas in case something should go wrong. At that point, I had no involvement at all in the assassination outside of that...just doing my little job that I had to do.

Q: Could you give me the exact chronology of what happened from the time you arrived in Dallas...? You've already said that you went out and test fired some guns and things...take me back to maybe November 21, the day before, and in your own words, tell me what happened from November 21, 1963 until the night of November 22, 1963...
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Jim Garrison
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Jim Garrison
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District Attorney of Orleans Parish
In office
1961–1973
Preceded by Richard Dowling
Succeeded by Harry Connick, Sr.
Constituency New Orleans, Louisiana
Personal details
Born Earling Carothers Garrison
November 20, 1921
Denison, Iowa
Died October 21, 1992 (aged 70)
New Orleans, Louisiana
Nationality American
Political party Democratic Party
Spouse(s) Leah Elizabeth Ziegler[1]
Alma mater law degree from Tulane University in 1949
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Earling Carothers "Jim" Garrison (November 20, 1921 – October 21, 1992)[2] – who changed his first name to Jim in the early 1960s – was the District Attorney of Orleans Parish, Louisiana, from 1962 to 1973. A member of the Democratic Party, he is best known for his investigations into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. He was played by Kevin Costner in Oliver Stone's JFK.

Contents

1 Early life and career
2 District Attorney
2.1 Kennedy assassination investigation
3 Later career
4 Legacy
5 References
6 Further reading
7 External links

Early life and career

Earling Carothers Garrison was born in Denison, Iowa.[3][4][5] He was the first child and only son of Earling R. Garrison and Jane Anne Robinson who divorced when he was two-years old.[2] His family moved to New Orleans in his childhood, where he was raised by his divorced mother. He served in the U.S. National Guard in World War II, then obtained a law degree from Tulane University Law School in 1949. He worked for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for two years and then returned to active duty with the National Guard. After fifteen months, he was relieved from duty. One Army doctor concluded he had a "severe and disabling psychoneurosis" which "interfered with his social and professional adjustment to a marked degree. He is considered totally incapacitated from the standpoint of military duty and moderately incapacitated in civilian adaptability."[6] Although one doctor did recommend that Garrison be discharged from service and collect 10% permanent disability, Garrison opted instead to join the National Guard where his record was reviewed by the U.S. Army Surgeon General who “found him to be physically qualified for federal recognition in the national army.”[7]
District Attorney

Garrison worked for New Orleans law firm Deutsch, Kerrigan & Stiles from 1954 to 1958, when he became an assistant district attorney. Garrison became a flamboyant, colorful, well-known figure in New Orleans, but was initially unsuccessful in his run for public office, losing a 1959 election for criminal court judge. In 1961 he ran for district attorney, winning against incumbent Richard Dowling by 6,000 votes in a five-man Democratic primary. Despite lack of major political backing, his performance in a televised debate and last minute television commercials are credited with his victory.

Once in office, Garrison cracked down on prostitution and the abuses of Bourbon Street bars and strip joints. He indicted Dowling and one of his assistants for criminal malfeasance, but the charges were dismissed for lack of evidence. Garrison did not appeal. Garrison received national attention for a series of vice raids in the French Quarter, staged sometimes on a nightly basis. Newspaper headlines in 1962 praised Garrison's efforts, "Quarter Crime Emergency Declared by Police, DA. – Garrison Back, Vows Vice Drive to Continue – 14 Arrested, 12 more nabbed in Vice Raids." Garrison's critics often point out that many of the arrests made by his office did not result in convictions, implying that he was in the habit of making arrests without evidence. However, assistant DA William Alford has said that charges would more often than not be reduced or dropped if a relative of someone charged gained Garrison’s ear. He had, said Alford, “a heart of gold.”[8]

After a conflict with local criminal judges over his budget, he accused them of racketeering and conspiring against him. The eight judges charged him with misdemeanor criminal defamation, and Garrison was convicted in January 1963. In 1965 the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the conviction and struck down the state statute as unconstitutional.[9] At the same time, Garrison indicted Judge Bernard Cocke with criminal malfeasance and, in two trials prosecuted by Garrison himself, Cocke was acquitted.

Garrison charged nine policemen with brutality, but dropped the charges two weeks later. At a press conference he accused the state parole board of accepting bribes, but could obtain no indictments. Critical of the state legislature, Garrison was unanimously censured by it for "deliberately maligning all of the members".[10]

In 1965, running for reelection against Judge Malcolm O'Hara, Garrison won with 60 percent of the vote.
Kennedy assassination investigation

As New Orleans D.A., Garrison began an investigation into the assassination of President John F.Kennedy in late 1966, after receiving several tips from Jack Martin that a man named David Ferrie may have been involved in the assassination.[11] The end result of Garrison's investigation was the arrest and trial of New Orleans businessman Clay Shaw in 1969, with Shaw being unanimously acquitted less than one hour after the case went to the jury.[12][13][14]

Garrison was able to subpoena the Zapruder film from Life magazine. Thus, members of the American public - i.e. the jurors of the case - were shown the movie for the first time. Until the trial, the film had rarely been seen, and bootleg copies made by assassination investigators working with Garrison led to the film's wider distribution.[15] In 2015, Garrison's daughter released his copy of the film, along with a number of his personal papers from the investigation.[16]

Garrison's key witness against Clay Shaw was Perry Russo, a 25-year-old insurance salesman from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. At the trial, Russo testified that he had attended a party at anti-Castro activist David Ferrie's apartment. At the party, Russo said that Lee Harvey Oswald (who Russo said was introduced to him as "Leon Oswald"), David Ferrie, and "Clem Bertrand" (who Russo identified in the courtroom as Clay Shaw) had discussed killing President Kennedy.[17] The conversation included plans for the "triangulation of crossfire" and alibis for the participants.[17]

Russo’s version of events has been questioned by some historians and researchers, such as Patricia Lambert, once it became known that part of his testimony might have been induced by hypnotism, and by the drug sodium pentothal (sometimes called "truth serum").[18] An early version of Russo's testimony (as told in Assistant D.A. Andrew Sciambra's memo, before Russo was subjected to sodium pentothal and hypnosis) fails to mention an "assassination party" and says that Russo met Clay Shaw on two occasions, neither of which occurred at the party.[19][20] However, in his book On the Trail of the Assassins, Garrison says that Russo had already discussed the party at Ferrie's apartment before any "truth serum" was administered.[21] Moreover, in several public interviews, such as one shown in the video The JFK Assassination: The Jim Garrison Tapes, Russo reiterates the same account of a party at Ferrie's apartment that he gave at the trial.[22][23]

Jim Garrison defended his conduct regarding witness testimony, stating:

Before we introduced the testimony of our witnesses, we made them undergo independent verifying tests, including polygraph examination, truth serum and hypnosis. We thought this would be hailed as an unprecedented step in jurisprudence; instead, the press turned around and hinted that we had drugged our witnesses or given them posthypnotic suggestions to testify falsely.[24]

US talk radio host David Mendelsohn conducted a comprehensive interview with Jim Garrison which was broadcast in 1988 by KPFA in Berkeley, California. Alongside Garrison, the program featured the voices of Lee Harvey Oswald and JFK filmmaker Oliver Stone. Garrison explains that cover stories were circulated in an attempt to blame the killing on the Cubans and the Mafia but he blames the conspiracy to kill the president firmly on the CIA who wanted to continue the Cold War.[25]
Later career

In 1973, Garrison was tried and found not guilty by the jury for accepting bribes to protect illegal pinball machine operations. The prosecutor was Gerald J. Gallinghouse of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana, who was seeking to halt public corruption.[26] Pershing Gervais, Garrison's former chief investigator, testified that Garrison had received approximately $3,000 every two months for nine years from the dealers. Acting as his own defense attorney, Garrison called the allegations baseless and claimed that they were concocted as part of a U.S. government effort to destroy him because of Garrison's efforts to implicate the CIA in the Kennedy assassination. The jury found Garrison not guilty. In an interview conducted by New Orleans reporter Rosemary James with Pershing Gervais, James alleged Gervais had admitted to concocting the charges.[27]

In the same year, Garrison was defeated for reelection as district attorney by Harry Connick, Sr. On April 15, 1978, Garrison won a special election over a Republican candidate, Thomas F. Jordan, for Louisiana's 4th Circuit Court of Appeal judgeship, a position for which he was later reelected and which he held until his death.[28]

In 1987, Garrison appeared as himself in the film The Big Easy.

After the Shaw trial, Garrison wrote three books on the Kennedy assassination, A Heritage of Stone (1970), The Star Spangled Contract (1976, fiction, but based on the JFK assassination), and his best-seller, On the Trail of the Assassins (1988). A Heritage of Stone, published by Putnam, places responsibility for the assassination on the CIA and says the Warren Commission, the Executive Branch, members of the Dallas Police Department, the pathologists at Bethesda, and various others lied to the American public.[29] The book does not mention Shaw or Garrison's investigation of Shaw.[29]

Garrison's investigation again received widespread attention through Oliver Stone's 1991 film, JFK, which was largely based on Garrison's book as well as Jim Marrs' Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy. Kevin Costner played a fictionalized version of Garrison in the movie. Garrison himself had a small on-screen role in the film, playing United States Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren. Jim Garrison also appears live and comments on the Shaw Trial in the documentary The JFK Assassination: The Jim Garrison Tapes, written and directed by actor John Barbour.

Garrison died of cancer in 1992, survived by his five children.[30][31]
Legacy

Some suggest that Garrison will be remembered positively, including political analyst Carl Oglesby who was quoted as saying, "...I have done a study of Garrison: I come out of it thinking that he is one of the really first-rate class-act heroes of this whole ugly story [the killing of John F. Kennedy and subsequent investigation], which suffers so badly for heroes."[32] Libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard stated that "Garrison, one of the most viciously smeared figures in modern political history, was simply a district attorney trying to do his job in the most important criminal case of our time."[33]

Besides pro-Warren Commission writers like Gerald Posner, other pro-conspiracy writers criticized Garrison for being reckless.[34] However, several researchers, including Gerry Campeau of JFKFacts.org, William Davy,[35] and Joan Mellen[36][37] have defended Garrison.

Garrison came under contemporary criticism from writers including Sylvia Meagher, who in 1967 wrote: "...as the Garrison investigation continued to unfold, it gave cause for increasingly serious misgivings about the validity of his evidence, the credibility of his witnesses, and the scrupulousness of his methods. The fact that many critics of the Warren Report have remained passionate advocates of the Garrison investigation, even condoning tactics which they might not condone on the part of others, is a matter of regret and disappointment."[38] According to Clay Shaw's defense team, witnesses, including Perry Russo, claimed to have been bribed and threatened with perjury and contempt of court charges by Garrison in order to make his case against Shaw.[39] However, in a later interview with public radio, Perry Russo stated: "Well the truth of the matter was that Garrison was very sincere. Well, [NBC News reporter and ex FBI Agent] Walter Sheridan tells me and threatens me that he's gonna take Garrison out and take me with him. [...] And he says [if] you do that" [revoke his testimony] "we won't go after you."[22]
References

Jim Garrison obituary accessed 5/27/2015
Lambert, Patricia (2000). False Witness: The Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK. New York: M Evans and Company, Inc. p. 11. ISBN 9781461732396.
"Jim Garrison", Contemporary Authors Online, Gale, 2003.
"Jim Garrison", The Scribner Encyclopedia of American Lives, Volume 3: 1991–1993. Charles Scribner's Sons, 2001.
"Jim Garrison", Newsmakers 1993, Issue 4. Gale Research, 1993.
Associated Press, "Garrison Record Shows Disability", December 29, 1967. Warren Rogers, "The Persecution of Clay Shaw", Look, August 26, 1969, page 54.
Jordan Publishing; William Davy (May 1999). Let Justice Be Done: New Light on the Jim Garrison Investigation. p. 82. ISBN 978-0-9669716-0-6.
Joan Mellen (October 19, 2005). A farewell to justice: Jim Garrison, JFK's assassination, and the case that should have changed history. Potomac Books Inc. p. 11. ISBN 978-1-57488-973-4.
Garrison v. Louisiana, 379 U.S. 64 (1964)
"Assassination Probe Conspiracy Being Kept Secret". Spokane Daily Chronicle (Spokane, Washington). AP. February 20, 1967. p. 2. Retrieved May 26, 2013.
David Ferrie, House Select Committee on Assassinations – Appendix to Hearings, Volume 10, 12, pp. 112–13.
Clay Shaw Interview, Penthouse, November 1969, pp. 34–35.
Clay Shaw Trial Transcripts, February 28, 1969, p. 47.
"Andrew 'Moo Moo' Sciambra, who worked on Jim Garrison investigation of JFK assassination, dies at age 75", July 28, 2010 by John Pope, The Times-Picayune
James H. Fetzer (1998). Assassination science: experts speak out on the death of JFK. Open Court Pub Co. p. 268. ISBN 978-0-8126-9365-2.
Morgan, Richard (2015-11-20). "JFK assassination truthers will love this auction". New York Post. Retrieved 2015-11-23.
Testimony of Perry Raymond Russo, State of Louisiana vs. Clay L. Shaw, February 10, 1969.
"Perry Raymond Russo's Hypnosis: Making Testimony More Objective?". mcadams. 2007. Retrieved December 18, 2007.
"The Sciambra Memo". Retrieved September 17, 2010.
"Perry Raymond Russo: Way Too Willing Witness". Mcadams.posc.mu.edu. Retrieved September 17, 2010.
Jim Garrison (November 1988). On the trail of the assassins: my investigation and prosecution of the murder of President Kennedy. Sheridan Square Pubns. p. 151. ISBN 978-0-941781-02-2.
The Lighthouse Report, "The Last Testament of Perry Raymond Russo", Will Robinson, October 10, 1992.
The JFK Assassination: The Jim Garrison Tapes on YouTube, John Barbour, 1992.
Jim Garrison Interview, Playboy magazine, Eric Norden, October 1967.
Guns and Butter http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/86549
"Bill Crider, "This U.S. Attorney defies patronage system – He stays", October 4, 1977". news.google.com. Retrieved June 29, 2013.
"Pershing Gervais and the Attempt to Frame Jim Garrison", Peter R. Whitmey, The Fourth Decade, vol. 1, 4, May 1994, pp. 3–7.
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Leonard, John (December 8, 1970). "The Story of Garrison Vs. Shaw". The Day 90 (134) (New London, Connecticut). p. 22. Retrieved August 24, 2015.
"Epitaph For Jim Garrison: Romancing the Assassination" The New Yorker 30 November 1992 Retrieved January 12, 2012
Lambert, Bruce (October 22, 1992). "Jim Garrison, 70, Theorist on Kennedy Death, Dies". The New York Times (New York). Retrieved December 9, 2014.
Interview with Carl Oglesby. JFK: The Question of Conspiracy, Documentary. Dir. & Writ. Danny Schechter, Dir. Barbara Kopple (Regency Enterprises, Le Studio Canal, & Alcor Films: A Global Vision Picture, 1992)
http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard147.html
"Garrison and JFK Conspiracy Writers". Mcadams.posc.mu.edu. Retrieved September 17, 2010.
Jordan Publishing; William Davy (May 1999). Let Justice Be Done: New Light on the Jim Garrison Investigation. ISBN 978-0-9669716-0-6.
"Joan Mellen website". Joanmellen.net. November 16, 2005. Retrieved September 20, 2011.
Joan Mellen (October 19, 2005). A farewell to justice: Jim Garrison, JFK's assassination, and the case that should have changed history. Potomac Books Inc. ISBN 978-1-57488-973-4.
Sylvia Meagher (April 7, 1992). Accessories After the Fact: The Warren Commission, the Authorities, and the Report. Vintage Books. pp. 456–457. ISBN 978-0-679-74315-6.

Gerald Posner, Case Closed, p. 441.

Further reading

Milton E. Brener, The Garrison Case: A Study in the Abuse of Power (Clarkson N. Potter, 1969)
Vincent Bugliosi, Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy (W.W. Norton and Company, 2007) – pp. 1347–1436 of the main text and pp. 804–932 of the endnotes are devoted to "Jim Garrison's Prosecution of Clay Shaw and Oliver Stone's Movie JFK"
William Hardy Davis, Aiming for the Jugular in New Orleans (Ashley Books, June 1976)
Sean Egan, Ponies & Rainbows: The Life of James Kirkwood (Bearmanor Media, December 2011)
Paris Flamonde, The Kennedy Conspiracy
Paris Flamonde, The Assassinastion of America (2007)
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November 22, 1963
Dallas, Texas
In less thana
a second,
America died.
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Why is Files in jail?
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Jim Garrison
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"If you shut up the truth and bury it under the ground, it will but grow, and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through it will blow up everything in its way."

- French author Emile Zola

"Treason does never prosper.
What's the reason?
When it prospers,
None dare call it treason."

Sir John Harrington

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Telephone call with Faith Files 5/12/2007



- Faith has known James Files from her teens and was married to him from 1971 untill he went to jail in 1980. When I first called her she did not want to talk to me, as she first wanted to know more about me. I promised to send her a package of DVD's and my book, in order to give her a better understanding of who I am and my involvement with the James Files story. When I called her again after a month or so, I decided to record the call as I realized she could potentially corroborate important elements of the confession of James. About a year later I confessed to her that I had recorded the phone call. Initially she was upset about this, but on June 20, 2008 she granted me permission to publish the transcript of the call on this website. I wish to express my gratitude to her, for as you will see, she corroborates crucial elements of his confession:

- He was in the military and court martialed.
- he was in South East Asia and training for the Bay of Pigs
- He used the name James Sutton when he was young
- The kidnapping and torture
- His association with Charles Nicoletti
- Nicoletti gave him a diary
- He was close with Wolfman (who made the special loads for Dallas)
- The Fireball


Faith - Hello?

Wim - This is Wim ..........from Holland

Faith - Oh, hi!

Wim - Faith, did you receive my package?

Faith - Yes , I did

Wim - Okay, but you haven't had time to look at it, I guess.

Faith - I have started ..... looking at it.

Wim - Well then, you know a little bit more about me now...

Faith - (laughs) ...yeah .... so are you interviewing Jim or is that somebody else? ....

Wim - No, it's me and Jim Marrs. Jim Marrs is.., well in the JFK research community he is a rather well known journalist and investigator. He also wrote books about aliens and UFO's ... I'm not into that at all, but he has also worked his life on the JFK assassination, so he's rather famous in that area.

Faith - Mmm (acknowledges that she understands)

Wim - But I was curious, what made you move to such a far away state?

Faith - Arizona, for the retirement....that's a nicer place ...... with no cold..

Wim - Yeah, it's not snowing there I guess in the winter.

Faith - No ..... it's in the desert, so ....

Wim - Yeah... it's a pity that Jimmy can't move

Faith - Is he still in jail? I haven't heard from him in a long time.

Wim - Yeah , he 's still in jail. How long have you been out of touch with him?

Faith - Aah.. quite a while .. it's ... oh I don't even remember ...it has been quite a while.

Wim - About 10 years?

Faith - Probably.

Wim - And do you have one daughter with him? Or two?

Faith - One.

Wim - And that's Kathy, isn't it?

Faith - No, Kathy is from his first marriage.

Wim - Oh, Okay ......

Faith - Have you talked to her?

Wim - No.. I don't know where she is, or where she lives. Probably in Illinois, right?

Faith - Yes, probably. I know she is married but I don't know her last name.

Wim - Yeah ... okay...

Faith - Have you talked to his first wife?

Wim - No, but I know when she married Jimmy her name was Eleanor Schramm, right? And now it's Eleanor Albert.

Faith - Oh yes, that's what it was, I couldn't remember, but that's what it is, yeah.

Wim - Yeah, but she's not in a phonebook. I do have an envelope of her here .......with an address .....ah you know I can find her in USsearch.com but not in the white pages. You know, I have tried, but Albert is not such a, well it's a rather common name also.

Faith - Oh is it?

Wim - Yeah, so there are more Alberts, so it's difficult to locate her. But I would like to contact her.

Faith - Well, I don't know how to contact her either. I haven't heard from her in probably 20 years.

Wim - Yes, but did you watch any of the DVDs yet?

Faith - Yes, I started watching it. I didn't finish it yet quite but, aaah ... it's interesting. I know I wasn't married to him when he supposedly did that but... ah ....

Wim - No, I know that, but what year did you marry him? When did you first get to know him? That's also a little fuzzy to me, because I never asked him about that, you know. Untill now I was only interested in his story about JFK and other things, not so much in his private life.

Faith - Well, why do you want to know about, you know, the private stuff?

Wim - Well, because there is some opposition to his story. Or in fact there is very little opposition to his story, I mean people that actually see his interview, you know, are basically blown away, but there are a few discreditors who take every opportunity to say he is lying about this and that, and one such area is that he is lying about his military service, you know. They say he cannot prove he was in the military ...... Of course he has no reason to lie about that, so I am very convinced that he was in the military, but people ...... since he cannot prove it, because he claims all his files were erased ... you know, it's difficult for me to counter that.

Faith - mmm (acknowledging)

Wim - Well , that is why I'm glad I found you. Because maybe you could confirm that he was in the military?

Faith - Well, ... I don't know for sure ........

Wim - No, but he did tell you that he was in the military, right?

Faith - Yes.

Wim - And do you remember when it was, what the first time was when he told you this?

Faith - You know, his first wife might be able to tell you better than I could, about his military. I don't know if he was married to her when he went in or .....

Wim - Well... no, he married her after that, because he was in the military at quite a young age . He went in when he was 17, and he came out I guess when he was 19. And .... in the interview he specifies all that. So after that, I think it was in 1963, yeah, he married Eleanor. He´s also talking about that in the interview ... ..Oh no, that´s another interview, I can still send you another interview where he talks about that.

Faith - Mmm... Does he talk about me at all?

Wim - No.......no, but you know I didn't take that interview where he talks about Eleanor..... because the people ask him, you know, did your first wife know that you were in Dallas? And he explains all that: Half of the time she wouldn't know where I was. Because "I was drinking quite heavily, and my business was mine, and she didn't even dare to ask where I was, .... so she also didn't know that I was in Dallas." And he says well, "I'm not proud of that, because I was drinking quite heavily and I was not being so nice to her." That's what he tells about her. I understood that she is still rather fond of him. It was not her doing, what I understood, that they went apart.

Faith - I don't remember ......... I know we met them when they were still together. I mean, I met him when I was 16 .... when we were kids.

Wim - Oh? You were only 16?

Faith - Yeah, and I was still in school. And then I married somebody, and we lost track of each other, and then .. aah, I don't remember when we ...

Wim - Ah, so that must have been the end of the eighties, somewhere ....

Faith - No, that was the fifties.

Wim - Oh? You met him even before he married?

Faith - Yeah. I was in school. He was 16 too. We're just about the same age.

Wim - Aaah! Okay.

Faith - And his name was Sutton then.

Wim - Ah? ....... Oh, that's good! (laughs) .... Because they also try to say that he never used the name Sutton. But you remember that he used the name Sutton?

Faith - Yes.

Wim - Okay, very nice, that's good! Because they also try to discredit that. Do you also know when he started to use the name Files?

Faith - No, I don't. Like I said I got married and he went about his business. We didn't see each other for several years. And then my husband and I saw him somewhere, and we became friends with him and his wife. But then, you know, we saw each other once in a while. I don't know why they separated.

Wim - Ah yeah.

Faith - But then later on my husband and I divorced, and then him and I started dating.

Wim - Ah okay, so you first met him when you were a teenager and then you hooked up together much later then?

Faith - Yeah, in the seventies.

Wim - In the seventies, okay, so you married in the seventies with him?

Faith - I think it was ..... yeah, I think so .

Wim - Like 73 or 74 or more.....

Faith - No, I think it was 70 or 71. I don't remember, I would have to look it up.

Wim - And were you still married when he went to jail? To the Oxford prison?

Faith - Yeah, and we had a daughter, in 75

Wim - Ah okay. And what was the first time that he told you that he had been in the military? Was that right after ......

Faith - Oh, he probably mentioned it a few times, I don't remember.

Wim - But when you married him, he already had told you that? That he had been a soldier?

Faith - Yeah

Wim - Okay, did he also tell you where?

Faith - Ah ...He said over in Vietnam. You know, with the Bay of Pigs and stuff.

Wim - Yeah, well, the Bay of Pigs was Cuba, that was not .......

Faith - Well, Cuba, whatever! (laughs)

Wim - Well, first he was in Vietnam, and after he got out of that, he was recruited for the Bay of Pigs.

Faith - Mmm (affirming)

Wim - So right when you were married in the seventies you already knew that he had been involved in the Bay of Pigs and uh ....

Faith - Well, he never really talked much about it, he just mentioned it. Yeah, that he was in the service and ....

Wim - Well, it supports ... It's nice for me to know wether he said that when all this stuff about JFK came out, or way before that. When you first met him you already knew that he had mentioned the Bay of Pigs and his service in South East Asia? Is that correct?

Faith - Mmm, yeah.

Wim - Uuh, did Jimmy ever mention anything about his court martial to you?

Faith - Yeah, he said he was court martialed and dishonorly discharged

Wim - Yeah, but it was swept under the carpet, right?

Faith - Mmm (confirming)

Wim - And that was because? ..... He is still a little bit skimmish to talk about this in the interviews...

Faith - Oh...

Wim - Not with me, because I didn't ask him about it, but he doesn't really want to go into it, because he said he killed two of his own men...

Faith- Oh, I don't know what happened, he just said he was courtmartialed.

Wim - Yeah, and that was also when you first met him? I mean this was not lately, but when you were married with him, right?

Faith - Oh, yeah.

Wim - Okay ..... Well uuh, is there anything more you want to know about me?

Faith - Well ah ... I heard that his daughter ..... that he got 25 thousand from this other guy? And that he gave it to his daughter?

Wim - Well, uuh, I think he got it from Dick Clark productions. The other guy hooked up with Dick Clark, and Dick Clark agreed to give him 50 thousand that would go to , yeah (thinking) ... to both his daughters.

Faith - Well, my daughter got nothing.

Wim - No? ..... Okay...... Well then ....

Faith - And I was very upset about that.

Wim - Aah ..okay. Were you promised anything from that?

Faith - No ... ah ......I am trying to remember. I guess when that guy called. I talked to him and he told me he had given some money for Kathy and for Shawnn, my daughter.

Wim - Well, ...... was it not for Kathy and his ex-wife?

Faith - No .....

Wim - You know, I am a little bit fuzzy about this because this was way before I came in on the scene.

Faith - Yeah well, Kathy ..

Wim - But I can look it up, ... and I can email it to you ...

Faith - Well yeah, I was kind of upset, because my daughter could have used some money too. Because I had it really rough when he went to jail. And I had to take care of my kids, and work, and it wasn't easy and it would have been nice for his daughter to get some money too.

Wim - Well I know, I think he is fond of both of his daughters, right?

Faith - Yeah, he thought it went to both of his daughters, but it didn't, it just went to the one. Because my daughter got nothing.

Wim - Yeah, well, I have to look it up. Because I have it in emails or in writing. Bob Vernon at the time wrote it all down. Because there were also people that claim "Yeah, he asked money for his story". But I think it was offered to him, if I remember correctly, he didn't ask for nothing but when it was offered to him by Dick Clark he said okay, it will go to my daughters. To my daughter, or to my daughter and ex-wife, something like that, but I can look it up, I could let you know.

Faith - Well, I know I didn't get anything, and my daughter didn't get anything, and I don't think he would have given anything to his first ex-wife, cause he doesn't like her.

Wim - No, but she still likes him I believe.

Faith - I don't know.

Wim - How did I get that in my head? Well, yeah, I have read it somewhere. I can look that up too. ... Oh yeah, because I think she didn't want him to get involved in the JFK story because she thought it could hurt his appeal or strenghten his sentence. I think, yeah, there 's a story that she even wanted to discredit him. Yeah, because she invented a story with the lawyer at that time, that he had a twin brother ......and well ...

Faith - Well, I thought he had a twin brother too that died at birth..

Wim - Oh? That's interesting. That died at birth?

Faith - Yeah.

Wim - Where did you hear that? From himself, or ....?

Faith - Yeah, from him. And that's why I thought when I saw on television that they said ....

Wim - Well anyway, it couldn't have been his twin brother that was in Dallas instead of him.

Faith - No, when his brother was supposed to have died when he was born and he lived, you know? And that was why I was wondering that maybe the one birth certificate said he died at birth .... and that he was supposed to have a twin that died at birth ........?

Wim - Yeah, because his birth certificate .. I have never seen that birth certificate .... supposedly it said "deceased at birth", right? But that's James Files ... was his twin brother also called James Files then?

Faith - I doubt it.

Wim - Or James Sutton?

Faith - No .... I don't know if they named it ... I don't know ...... but uhm ... I don't wanna get threatened or get killed if I talk to you .....

Wim - Ooh ..... Well, are you concerned?

Faith - Well yeah , a little ...

Wim - Well uhh, that's good! (laughing) because that proves that Jimmy is not a hoax, right? If you're concerned about talking to me ....

Faith - Yeah well ....

Wim - Well, I'm not concerned at all , to be honest ... cause I've never been threathened ... and as long as they are succesful in painting Jimmy a kook that's just telling a story for 15 minutes of fame, then ... you know, nothing will ever happen. And besides, you know, you can't keep threathening ... you can't keep killing them all! You know, that's'.... that's too much a risk. They haven't killed Jimmy!

Faith - Yeah ... well, that would make it plausible then (laughing)

Wim - Yeah, yeah, that's what everybody says....Oh, if they kill him I really believe the story! I mean, it's really stupid. Besides there are many more people that know about this ... aah ... and are alive, you know. Maybe the only difference with Jimmy is that they are not talking. But for example they just released this Cuban, Luis Posada Carilles, he blew up a plane in 1976 together with Orlando Bosch. Both of these guys, you know, were on Dealey Plaza. I know that from another source. Jimmy doesn't know about that, but they were both on Dealey Plaza. And Luis Posada Carilles remembers Jimmy from the Bay of Pigs. He vaguely remembers him and said : Yeah I always used to say: Let the kid do it! The kid from Chicago..... Well he certainly was a kid at that time.... because he was only, well what was he? 19 , 20, when he was training the guys for the Bay of Pigs?

Faith - Yeah I guess ..

Wim - But you know, they are alive and there are many more people alive that were in Dallas that day, that know exactly about the plot to kill Kennedy. Aah, like Charles Harrelson, he was in jail, he died just recently, just a few months ago ..

Faith - Is that Woody Harrelson's father?

Wim - Yes ...yes, he was in Dallas and well.. Jimmy doesn't know anything about him ... he didn't see him there, but you know, they didn't know about each other because they were in different teams and it was a need-to-know operation.. That to me also enhances Jimmy's credibility. Because he says: The only thing I know is my instructions from Charles Nicoletti.

Faith - Mmmm ..

Wim - And he doesn't know there were more teams....... As far as he is concerned he and Charles Nicoletti were the only shooters that day.

Faith - Mmmm ..

Wim - But that's surely not the case, because there were many witnesses that saw people with rifles in the Texas school depository window. So there were also shooters there, but that was a different team.

Faith - Mmm , yeah ......

Wim - And there was maybe one more team, a third team .... because I also think there was a shooter on the roof ... of another building, ... the County Records building

Faith - Wow ....

Wim - And uh ... Jimmy does not know about all that, so that to me proves that indeed he has not read a lot about the JFK assassination

Faith - Mmmm ..

Wim - When he told his story, ofcourse people started writing him, sending him books and articles, that's when he learned more about the assassination ... but not before.... But uuh, no, I don't think you should be concerned, at all. I mean I have been active with this story for six years, and in those six years I have been to the United States at least four times... without any trouble.

Faith - Yeah .... and another thing: Well, is...,I don't know how to say this ..

Wim - Well, take your time ...

Faith - Well, aah...I would want, ... I wouldn't want people to know ... who I am now?

Wim - Oh, no no no, you can rely on my confidence.. No that is how ...

Faith - Well (interrupting) .. go ahead.

Wim - Sorry?

Faith - What were you going to say?

Wim - No ... if you ask me .. you know, I will only use things with your explicit permission.

Faith - mmm, okay

Wim - You know, if you like you can ask Jimmy about this... I know things about Jimmy that he doesn't want the world to know .... and I haven't broken that confidence, you know. Other murders he did for example. So ... if I could not be trusted , I would already have told the world about that. ... So that's how I work.

Faith - Well, I don't even know how to get hold of him.

Wim - No?

Faith - No.

Wim - Well, you can write him a letter!

Faith - Yeah, I guess my mother knows where he is, the address where he is.

Wim - Well, I have his address. I can email you some letters where his address is, and where his inmate number is above the letter.

Faith - Oh, okay.

Wim - Have you ..... Did your relationship with him really go sour?

Faith - Well, after he was arrested and in jail for I don't know, maybe five years or so, we decided that I should just get a divorce. So I got a divorce.

Wim - And was that uuh ... on his recommendation?

Faith - Yeah, he didn't want me to wait around for him, because he didn't know how long he would be in.

Wim - Well... Oh, that's a rather nice and altruistic thought! I mean lots of women would say: Honey, I don't care how long you are in, I will keep waiting for you! But I guess what Jimmy then said, is the more realistic approach.

Faith - Yeah, because he didn't know what was going to happen, so he just ... you know.

Wim - Yeah ....

Faith - He was thinking about me....

Wim - Yeah, yeah, very good. Well, you know, that's what I like about Jimmy. You received my letter, right? Where I said a crook with a heart?

Faith - Yeah (laughs)

Wim - That's what he is, right?

Faith - Yeah, when he cared about people he really cared about them. You couldn't have a better friend.

Wim - Yeah, he is also very religious now ......

Faith - I guess so ..

Wim - Did you know that?

Faith - I uuh, I heard it.

Wim - And have you seen any of his drawings and pictures?

Faith - Aah, well, he used to send us cards. So yeah, we have that.

Wim - Well, he also does drawings. I have about 50 drawings of him.

Faith - Oh wow.

Wim - Some are cartoons and some are really realistic drawings. With flowers, or the jungle or helicopters... I can send you pictures of those too. They are on my website.

Faith - Well, do you want my email address then?

Wim - Yes, please, yes ... because I could send you lots of stuff , I would like to communicate with you over time

Faith - Okay.. It's xxxxxxx

Wim - Okay, then I wil also send you the interviews over the Internet , where he speaks about Eleanore. But that's an interview from 1994, a long time ago, and that's more, he tells more about his private life. Because they ask him about that. You know, they try to corroborate his Dallas story by asking him about people he knew at the time and whether they could contact them.

Faith - mmm, yeah, okay

Wim - Oh yeah, there was one more question that springs to mind: Did you know about his relationship with Charles Nicoletti?

Faith - Yes ... I met Nicoletti one day.

Wim - And Jimmy introduced him to you?

Faith - Well, he came in our restaurant, we had a restaurant. That was in Melrose Park.

Wim - Is that the Coffee Cup?

Faith - Ahah, and Mr. Nicoletti came in there, and Jim left with him. And I couldn't ask him anything that was going on, he just ... you know...

Wim - Did he generally keep you out of his contacts with Nicoletti? Was this just a rare occassion?

Faith - Oh yeah! That was rare.

Wim - Okay, but you knew that they were associating, that they were good friends ......

Faith - Yeah .... and the night that Nicoletti was killed, Jim was beside himself. He said that he should have been with him and he was really upset.

Wim - Yes, well, that was one of the rare nights that he was not with him, right?

Faith - Yeah

Wim - Because I think that Nicoletti didn't want him with him.

Faith - That night I guess, I don't know, I know that he wasn't with him and when he found out about it, he was upset and left the house.

Wim - Do you also know about his torture? That he was found almost dead?

Faith - Yes, he was kidnapped, out of the Coffee Cup, and I didn't see him, I don't know how long it was, it was a couple of days I think, and finally the police brought him home..

Wim - Yes, and he was in really bad shape I guess..

Faith - Yes, mmmm

Wim - Did you see him right after?

Faith - Yeah

Wim - Was he beaten up?

Faith - Yes, and his arms had marks and he was even tied up.

Wim - Mmm, okay, and did you take care of him at that time?

Faith - Yeah ...

Wim - Where did he recuperate? Just at home?

Faith - Yeah, at home

Wim - With you?

Faith - Yeah

Wim - Okay, do you also know anything about the diary? Probably not huh?

Faith - He mentioned it once.

Wim - That Nicoletti gave him a diary?

Faith - Yes, that's where he went that night, to get it.

Wim - What? Which night? The night that he was kidnapped?

Faith - No, the night Nicoletti was killed.

Wim - Aah, the night Nicoletti was killed? I don't understand now. You're saying that's where he went that night?

Faith - Yeah, after he heard about it. He went out, and I think it was to get the diary and I think he destroyed it.

Wim - Oh, after he was tortured, he went out, right?

Faith - No, after he heard that Nicoletti was killed. I think. I'm not sure ...

Wim - Okay .... no, what he tells is that he hid the diary, somewhere, that he buried it somewhere, and after Nicoletti was killed .. uhh yeah, he went back I believe. No no, after Nicoletti was killed, he then hid the diary. I'm not sure now ....... I have to rewatch it, what he said.

Faith - Yeah, I'm not positive either about everything, I'm just trying to remember things.

Wim - Yeah, well, what I remember is only from what he said in the interviews, and I think it went like this: Nicoletti gave him the diary, and said: Keep this as a sort of life insurance. Someday you might need it. And he buried it somewhere and then three weeks after Nicoletti was killed, he was kidnapped by ... some government people ... he doesn't know really what they were, CIA or FBI, he thinks it was FBI because the CIA would really have killed him and then .....

Faith - They used a cattle prod on him, he said.

Wim - Yeah, it was a severe torture. He also thinks that they left him for dead. They thought he was dead. But he wasn't dead. And the CIA or the mob would have made sure he would have been dead. That's why he thinks it was the FBI. But what I wanted to say is that these people wanted the diary. They wanted to know where the diary was.

Faith - Oh, so maybe .....

Wim - And Jimmy didn't tell them! So that's really character I would say!

Faith - Yeah, so maybe he just went out looking for people the night that Nicoletti was killed, maybe that's what it was. He may have went looking for people to find out the answer, and then, maybe it was after he was kidnapped that he went out ...

Wim - Yeah, I think he went back and then destroyed some of the contents of the package. But he kept the diary. But there was also the motorcade route and the secret service credentials.

Faith - Oh, was that what that was all about?

Wim - Yeah, from Dallas! He says that was also in there, but he says he disposed of that. He destroyed that, he burned all that. I don't really know if that's true but..

Faith - I don't know, he told me he destroyed it.

Wim - Well, you know ... that's probably safer for you .....and for everybody ... to tell that he destroyed it. I mean the more people that know he still has it ... you know.

Faith - Mmm

Wim - They still want it, I guess.

Faith - Oh wow, but he said he destroyed it.

Wim - Well yeah, okay, It's good for you to believe he destroyed it, I think.

Faith - (laughs)

Wim - Because if those people believe that he told you (where the diary is) .. then, you know, something might happen to you ... You might be kidnapped! (laughs)

Faith - I know nothing!

Wim - Well, that's probably why he said he destroyed it. I am sure he never disclosed the location of where that diary is to anyone.

Faith - I am surprised since you're talking to him, he hasn't told you (laughs).

Wim - Well, he also has some penpal girlfriend, or had, I don't know how the relationsip is now, but he entrusted her a lot, a girl from Hawaii, and he never told her anything. I asked him about it. Why not Pam, because her name is Pam, why don't you tell her? And then he explained to me: Well, if I tell her, she would probably be dead in the next 48 hours.

Faith - Oh!

Wim - So you know, yeah, that's a good reason I guess. And he's right! I mean if they tortured him to death, or they thought they tortured him to death, then yeah, they would probably go far. So I think it's probably a very altruistic thing to not share it with anybody.

Faith - Yeah I guess so. But aah, are you going to make money off of this?

Wim - Ah well, you know, so far I have INVESTED a lot of money into this. And uh ... I would have to do really well to get that money back! (laughs) But on the other hand I also have to say that I have some DVDs on the market now, and I recently finished my ... well .. opus magnus I would call it, a comprehensive work, it's 2 hours, a comprehensive documentary where all the evidence is presented in a clear way. And well, I still have good confidence that I can market that. So the question "Are you making money off this" is really difficult to answer, because, well, the situation is that so far it has costed me a lot of money. And I am selling some DVDs and some books on my website, but that's, you know, really a drop in the ocean. It's like a dripping tab, while it could be Niagara Falls. But it all comes together with the right backing and the right distribution of mainstream publishers. And mainstream publishers, it seems they don't wanna touch on this story. You know? It's too hot to handle! But I am still confident that I may find a really courageous distributor, or maybe a rich millionaire in the Hollywood business that wants to take this on. Because I think it touches on the integity of the whole American society.

Faith - Oh yeah, if they find out that the CIA had something to do with it, it's really .....

Wim - Yeah, I guess you don't know anything about that, that Jimmy was connected with the CIA?

Faith - Well .... (pause of thinking) ... not really.

Wim - Because it's his job to keep quiet about that.

Faith - Yeah, but he did say, you know, he thought that the FBI had grabbed him. And I wonder how come? (laughs). Yeah, I didn't know much about what was going on..... But I did meet Wolfman.

Wim - Oh? Oh well, ..... did you also know that Wolfman was dead one week after Jimmy tried to introduce him to Joe West?

Faith - Well, I found out that he was dead, but I didn't realize, I had not had contact with Jim, I didn't know what he was doing, but I did find out that Wolfman had died, but I had no idea, you know , that it was becasue of that.

Wim - Well, you know, you can never be sure it was because of that. It's just a coincidence that after 4 days, or 5 days, within a week after Jimmy tried to have him talk to Joe West, he is dead. That's also in the interview, I don't know if you have seen it yet ....

Faith - Well, yeah, I don't know if I saw that or if I read it.

Wim - But Wolfman's real name was George, right?

Faith - Right.

Wim - George Collura.

Faith - Oh, that's it! I couldn't remember his last name.

Wim - I tried to find anything on him on the Internet, but you know, he was really a secret person. I would think I would find some entry when he was the special weapons guy for the mob and for Giancana and all those guys, I would think I find something on him, but nothing...

Faith - Well, he was over at our house a couple of times. Cause he was I thought a friend of Jim. And we saw him once in a while and in fact one day in our restaurant I got really upset with him because he shot a mouse in our restaurant.

Wim - He shot a what?

Faith - A mouse.

Wim - A mouse? Oh, a mouse ... an animal.

Faith - Yeah, a mouse, he shot it when it ran out of his little hole. I mean when there were no customers in there, thank God!. But I was in there and they were talking about shooting it, and I said: Don't do it!

Wim - Did you also know that Wolfman was really specialized in weapons?

Faith - I knew that he knew a lot about weapons yeah, but I didn't know how come or anything, no. I just knew...., well, Jim liked weapons too, you know...... I saw his Fireball.

Wim - You saw his Fireball?

Faith - Yeah

Wim - But that was stolen right? From his aunt's house?

Faith - Well probably. I saw it when we were living together, when we were married. He lived with my aunt after he got out of jail.

Wim - After he got out of jail?

Faith - Yeah, Oxford.

Wim - Oh, so that was very late then. That was 1988.... when he came out of that jail.

Faith - I don't remember.

Wim - Aah, because this other guy, Bob Vernon, says that aunt Christine practically raised him as a boy.

Faith - Who?

Wim - Aunt Christine.

Faith - Oh Christine. But my aunt was the one he was living with in Round Lake. And that was Kay.

Wim - Oh yeah, Kay and Arnold.

Faith - Yeah.

Wim - They died too. Which is a real shame, yeah, they had a storage shed where Jimmy kept all his papers.

Faith - mmm

Wim - And nobody knows where that went. Jimmy thinks that this Vernon guy took it all and that he returned only a fraction of it. Because there were a few cartons, a few boxes of papers and he got only a legal size envelope back of him.

Faith - mmm

Wim - So he thinks I have them now, but the papers that he describes are certainly not in there. Because he talks about manuals on how to make bombs and things like that and I haven't found anything like that in there. And also a map of Dealey Plaza was in there. Well, I wish I would have it! (laughs) No, what I have is all documents that were authored by Vernon himself .... and some rapsheets of Jimmy. But not much more ...

Faith - Well ... I don't know.

Wim - Well, so far I really appreciate having made the aquaintance with you and ... well I don't know what to say more at this point. But I think lots of questions will keep coming up when we digest it.

Faith - Yeah , okay

Wim - And we can keep communicating by email.




November 22, 1963
Dallas, Texas
In less than
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America died.
CONTENTS
Home
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New book
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Book
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Spooks + Hoods
Lee and Frank
For beginners
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James Files 2003
Judyth Baker DVD
More evidence
Tippit killer
Luis Posada
The patsy
Special Release
Special alert
Interview Reviews
Pepsi & Coke
Presentation Wim
Anatomy
Joe West
The Investigation
James Files 1994
Faith Files
Chauncey Holt
Tosh Plumlee
Judyth Baker
Ed Haslam
Black Ops
Bob Bennett
George Bush
Researchers
Jack Ruby
Gary Mack
Bruce and Wim
Zack and Jim
Bob Vernon
The Three Tramps
The Zapruder Film
The Headshots
The Grassy Knoll
Murder Myths
Throat wound
Badgeman
South Knoll
$ 1000 Reward
Why is Files in jail?
Is Files for real?
Jim Garrison
Conclusion
The Autopsy
Warren Omission
The Cover-Up
Oswald & the CIA
VSA Test
Dallas Evidence
Dealey Plaza
Reasons Why
JFK's Skull
The Embalmer
Picture Gallery
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Interview
Jada
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Oswald and CIA
Teethmarks
Terrormasters
Nixon-Ruby
NSA letter
Oswald
Bush-Nixon
David Phillips
Headpoint
PR
Prescott
Ritchson
Sturgis
A Thought
Zack
Witness Report

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- French author Emile Zola

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What's the reason?
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Judyth Vary Baker
Judyth Vary Baker was Lee Harvey Oswald's girlfriend from april 1963 untill his death.
Full video testimony on DVD here
Watch also the video interviews of Anna Lewis and Ed Haslam


Judyth Vary Baker (née Judyth Anne Vary) is an American artist, writer and poet. Born May 15, 1943, in South Bend, Indiana, she is best known in documentaries, on the Internet, and in books and articles for coming forward with the assertion that she was a close associate of Lee Harvey Oswald, the accused assassin in the murder of President John F. Kennedy, which she claims was a CIA/Mafia conspiracy with Lee Harvey Oswald being a designated scapegoat.

She first decided to tell her story some 38 years after the JFK assassination, claiming she had kept silent out of fear for retaliation from the conspirators, who she says threathened to kill her if she talked. She interpreted the list of witnesses, who died mysteriously over the years, as a tacit justification for her fears. However, after seeing the movie JFK of Oliver Stone, who claimed silent witnesses were cowardeous, Judyth says she mustered the courage to come forward. Judyth's story is generally painted as controversial. She has many supporters as well as disbelievers. Among her supporters are author Edward Haslam, journalist/writer Jim Marrs, british TV producer Nigel Turner, Retired U.S. Army Green Beret Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Marvin (author of Expendable Elite - One Soldier's Journey Into Covert Warfare) and dutch JFK assassination researcher Wim Dankbaar. A few of her staunchest disbelievers are Debra Conway of the JFKlancer.com website and JFK assassination researcher John McAdams, who some researchers claim to be a disinformation asset for the CIA. Today Judyth's goal is to exonerate Lee Harvey Oswald from the charge that he was the assassin of John F. Kennedy.

Early life

Judyth Baker was born in South Bend, Indiana to Donald William and Glorianne Whiting Vary in 1943. She attended Manatee High School in Bradenton, Florida.

A wizard student with the highest IQ of her class, on October 17, 1958, she was introduced to Dr. Canute Michaelson, a high-ranking Norwegian geneticist and radiobiologist with CIA ties who had served as a double agent against Hitler. Michaelson's exploits as a spy fascinated her. He provided her with equipment, and contacts with Oak Ridge, after she indicated her interest in finding a cure for cancer. Her patriotic zeal was further enhanced in high school by friendships with retired military officers (especially her science instructor, Col. Phillip Doyle) and anti-Castro Cubans, including a close friendship with fellow student Tony Lopez-Fresquet, the oldest son of Castro's finance minister, who fled Cuba in 1960.

Her stellar research and its results were soon noticed by professors and scientists, with high profile connections in the medical and political world. This resulted in invitations to science programs and science fairs nationwide. In March, 1961, at age 17, she became the first high school student allowed to attend the elite Science Writer’s Cancer Research Seminar, a 5-day national meeting of science writers and the world’s most important cancer research scientists, where her research was inspected by top American Cancer Society (ACS) officials, research scientists, and Nobel Prize winners, who began mentoring her. In April, 1961, she was invited by Director Dr. George Moore to work in his personal laboratory at Roswell Park Memorial Institute in Buffalo, New York, the oldest important cancer research center in the United States. There she conducted research on melanoma cancers and learned techniques for handling cancers induced by the SV40 monkey virus. She next enrolled in the medical technology program at St. Francis College in her home state of Indiana, where she considered becoming a nun as well as a scientist. Evidence of her conducting cancer research after her training at Roswell Park exists in newspaper articles and citations. Assigned to work with malignant melanoma, at Dr. Alton Ochsner’s suggestion, one of the 18-year-old's research projects is preserved in an Indiana Academy of Science's abstract entitled "Studies on the Increase in vitro of Mitotic Activity and Melanogenesis in the RPMI HA # 5 (7113) Strain Melano." (Proceedings of the Indiana Academy of Science. V. 71 (1961) p. 71): the abstract mentions that her cancer research was continuing at her lab at St. Francis.

Her work with melanoma in 1961 reflected Dr. Ochsner’s research interests: Ochsner’s work in 1961-1962 on melanoma was important enough to be recorded in his official biography (Surgeon of the South --Wilds & Harkey, 1990, p. 136). Ochsner was the former ACS President (1952): his friends Dr. Harold S. Diehl (the current Vice President of the ACS, in charge of research) and Dr. George Moore testified with Ochsner in court about links between smoking and cancer. All three doctors were impressed that Judyth Vary had induced lung cancer in mice in record time in a high school lab. Ochsner had served with both Diehl and “Wild Bill” Donovan (of OSS and CIA fame) on ACS boards. At this time, Ochsner was in weekly contact with both the AF’s Surgeon General and the US Surgeon General on the Surgeon General’s CIA-attended committee meetings.

Concerned that their daughter might become a nun, her parents removed her from St. Francis. She was attending The University of Florida by Feb., 1962, under a full scholarship, where she resumed research in cancer-related areas under an umbrella of grants and permits. In the Spring of 1963, Ochsner offered her a summer internship at Ochsner Clinic in New Orleans, under the direction of the noted cancer research specialist, Dr. Mary S. Sherman, with the promise that she would receive a scholarship for early entry into Tulane Medical School that Fall. Her bus ticket shows she arrived in New Orleans a few days before Lee Harvey Oswald, in mid-April, 1963, two weeks before she was to begin her internship in Dr. Sherman's bone cancer lab.

A top secret bioweapon project in New Orleans

In 1963, Judyth was invited to New Orleans by famous surgeon Dr. Alton Ochnser to serve her country by taking part in another special cancer research project. Judyth soon learned that this was a top secret project to develop a bioweapon in order to terminate the Cuban leader Fidel Castro with a cancer-causing virus. Young and impressionable, Judyth saw Fidel Castro as a cruel communist dictator, a threat to national security and the American way of life. Under direction of Alton Ochsner, well connected and funded by right wing politicians and Texan oil barons, the project was led by Dr. Mary Sherman. Also involved were Lee Harvey Oswald, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw and Guy Banister. Oswald took Judyth under his wings and introduced her to these people. Judyth and Lee grew a liking to each other which developed into a love affair, although both were married.

After the JFK assassination Mary Sherman was murdered, on the day the Warren Commision started its hearings in New Orleans. Guy Banister died too in 1964, reportedly from a heart attack. However, witnesses claim that his office was taped off by the police as "a crime scene". His extensive files were confiscated by the FBI. David Ferrie died from what officially was ruled a suicide, which version is challenged by many researchers believing it was homicide, just before he was to testify in the trial of Jim Garrison, wherein he charged Clay Shaw and Ferrie as participants in the alleged conspiracy to kill JFK. With Ferrie dead, Clay Shaw was eventually acquitted for lack of evidence. These events are described in Edward's Haslam's recent book "Mary's monkey", wherein he makes a case for the thesis that - as a accidental result of these experiments - the polio vaccin of the early sixties was contaminated with a cancer causing monkey virus, better known as SV-40. Hence, he argues this was one of the decisive reasons to keep the bioweapon project secret and hidden from the public, as well as Lee Harvey Oswald's involvement, which contradicts the Warren Commission's conclusion that he was a deranged communist nut without any connections. Haslam takes the reader on a quest to find an explanation for the alarming growth rate of soft tissue cancers in America. "Mary's Monkey" is becoming an underground bestseller with a top 100 position on Amazon.com.

Proof for Judyth's story

Extra-ordinary claims require solid evidence. Although there is heated debate on the veracity of Judyth's story, even her discreditors admit that she can prove the following:

- She lived and worked in New Orleans in the spring and summer of 1963. Both she and Oswald arrived in New Orleans by bus in April and left New Orleans in September. Both she and Oswald moved into apartments the same week, within walking distance of each other. Both she and Oswald rode the same bus to and from the same workplace daily for eleven weeks, with only one bus stop between them.

- She was indeed a promising student with a passion for cancer research, as is evidenced by numerous contemporary newspaper articles.

- She worked in the same company as Lee Harvey Oswald, the Reily Coffee Company, and was hired on exactly the same date as Lee Harvey Oswald by the same small sub-company of Reily's, Standard Coffee Co. Both were subsequently transferred to Reily's one week later. An ad to replace her at Reily's was ordered the day Oswald was fired from Reily's, and she was terminated the same day Oswald was arrested (August 9, 1963) in New Orleans after he handed out pro-Cuban pamphlets. (Judyth asserts the jobs at Reily were a front for their covert activities, arranged by Dr. Ochsner and his allies. A probability study by statistics professor Dr. John Williams, published in The Dealey Plaza Echo in 2006, with a second supporting article published in 2007, concluded that statistically these events could not have occurred by chance.

- She moved back to Florida the same week that Oswald moved back to Dallas.

- After the JFK assassination her promising career as a researcher abruptly ended. (Judyth's explanation is that she was told to keep a low profile and stay silent.)

- Contemporary witnesses corroborate that Judyth and Lee Oswald knew each other and were lovers. One such witness is Anna Lewis (widow of David Lewis who worked for Guy Banister) whose video testimony was made availabe on Google video and the website www.jfkmurdersolved.com by Dutch researcher Wim Dankbaar. A video interview with Edward Haslam, author of Dr. Mary's Monkey, which includes additional supporting evidence for her story, is also available there.

Other sources on Judyth's story

In 2003 British TV producer Nigel Turner made 3 new episodes in his series "The men who killed Kennedy", which aired in England and the USA on the History Channel. One of the episodes, titled "The Love Affair" was dedicated to Judyth's story. Shortly thereafter protests were applied on The History Channel targeting one of the other two episodes, specificly "The Guilty Men" that focused on the alleged involvement of former president and JFK successor Lyndon Baines Johnson. The complaints were led by Johnson's widow, ex-presidents Ford and Carter, and former LBJ aides Jack Valenti and Bill Moyers. An anonymous party bought the rights from The History Channel, including the rights for "The Love Affair" (although it was not attacked) and the programs were never aired again in America.

An extensive video interview of Judyth telling her story is still available on DVD trough the website www.jfkmurdersolved.com.

She is interviewed by veteran assassination researcher Jim Marrs, author of the book "Crossfire, the plot that killed Kennedy"

External links

Dr. Mary's Monkey, a book by Edward Haslam
Newspaper articles 1961 on Judyth's research
Video of witness Anna Lewis
Video interview with Edward Haslam
JudythVaryBaker.com
"The Story of Judyth Vary Baker - The Woman who cracked the US Govt. JFK White Wash" By Jim Phelps
Skeptical evaluation of Baker's claims by John McAdams
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judyth_Vary_Baker"


Judyth in her lab with her mice




Dear Wim.... I am giving you this copyrighted image I've drawn of Lee, in two different exposures (scanned) for your use exclusively (I might use it for my book, only). I only ask that you ID the artist (me). I found it hard to try to paint Lee in 2003, and apologize for that painting. I've finally been able to deal with recreating my Lee's face, so people can see how I saw him in a way they'll better recognize. Thank you for all you've done to help vindicate a good man.

18/04/08

Gratefully, Judyth



November 22, 1963
Dallas, Texas
In less than
a second,
America died.
CONTENTS
Home
Online Cinema
New book
Documentary
Book
Confession DVD
Spooks + Hoods
Lee and Frank
For beginners
Files critics
James Files 2003
Judyth Baker DVD
More evidence
Tippit killer
Luis Posada
The patsy
Special Release
Special alert
Interview Reviews
Pepsi & Coke
Presentation Wim
Anatomy
Joe West
The Investigation
James Files 1994
Faith Files
Chauncey Holt
Tosh Plumlee
Judyth Baker
Ed Haslam
Black Ops
Bob Bennett
George Bush
Researchers
Jack Ruby
Gary Mack
Bruce and Wim
Zack and Jim
Bob Vernon
The Three Tramps
The Zapruder Film
The Headshots
The Grassy Knoll
Murder Myths
Throat wound
Badgeman
South Knoll
$ 1000 Reward
Why is Files in jail?
Is Files for real?
Jim Garrison
Conclusion
The Autopsy
Warren Omission
The Cover-Up
Oswald & the CIA
VSA Test
Dallas Evidence
Dealey Plaza
Reasons Why
JFK's Skull
The Embalmer
Picture Gallery
Links
E-mail Us

JFK-Forum
Facebook Group


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ARRB 94
Cast
Files on CIA
Court Case
Doctors
Epstein
FBI Transcript
Files Family
Knoll Figure
Firebal1 XP100
Files on Files
Joe Granata
Interview
Jada
Judyth
Oswald and CIA
Teethmarks
Terrormasters
Nixon-Ruby
NSA letter
Oswald
Bush-Nixon
David Phillips
Headpoint
PR
Prescott
Ritchson
Sturgis
A Thought
Zack
Witness Report

"If you shut up the truth and bury it under the ground, it will but grow, and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through it will blow up everything in its way."

- French author Emile Zola

"Treason does never prosper.
What's the reason?
When it prospers,
None dare call it treason."

Sir John Harrington

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ROBERT "TOSH" PLUMLEE DECLARATION
11/21/2004
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The following statements contained within this paper, are my personal story. Anything in previous publications is subject to question and is or has not been, reviewed, approved, or authorized, by me. My purpose in producing this unadulterated information and statement is to clarify previous errors of fact, which have been attributed to me. Therefore, this statement supersedes all previous versions of what others have claimed, speculated, or produced in media and print form, as being my true testimony and story.

Any reproduction of this article, in whole or in part, without written permission from the author is prohibited, and will be considered as a copyright violation and subject to the penalties provided by law.

I hereby declare the following to be true and correct to the best of my knowledge.

Dated this 21st day of November 2004.

Part 1: Background Information

My name is William Robert Plumlee, also known as 'Tosh" I am a retired commercial pilot and have worked for and with the United States Government for many years. My background follows:

I was enlisted and assigned to military specialized operations at Fort Bliss, Texas in April of 1954.(RA18389060; Recon Training Command, RTC-D8) I was associated with various Military Intelligence units of the Fourth Army based at Fort Bliss, Texas, and also the Fourth Army Reserve, located at Dallas Love Field, Dallas Texas. This service period was in the early to mid fifties and into the early sixties.

Approximately 1962 through 1963, I was assigned to Task Force W Section- C-7 tab B and D during the Cuban Project which operated at the time from the JM/WAVE station attached to Miami, Florida's 'Cuba Desk' of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). I operated as a contract "Undercover pilot" and also, at times, I was assigned to specialized Cuban operations of the CIA's "Covert Action Group" (CAG) I was engaged in many secret operations through out the early sixties.

Some years later, after brief retirement, known as 'The Farm'. I reactivated myself and became attached as an undercover operative and contract pilot for the federal government during President Reagan's "Drug War". I was attached to a secret team known as 'America-Mexico Special Operations Group' ("AMSOG"), HQ'ed Panama Southern Command. I was also a pilot and associated with the Contra Resupply Network.

I have testified four times in close door session, to various Senate and congressional investigative committees (Director FBI 1964; J Hoover; Senator Church, 1976-75; closed-door testimony, classified TS; to Congressmen Tom Downing's investigators, before the HSCA was formed; to Senator John Kerry's Committee of 1988-91 also classified " "TS Committee Sensitive" and the "Tri-State Drug Task Force", (Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico) chaired by Arizona Governor, Bruce Babbit. The cover operation contact cut out was the Phoenix Organized Crime Div. Phoenix AZ,1975-86. I worked with Senator Gary Hart and his security adviser Bill Holden, on previous intelligence matters with the NSC and the drug war with Colombia and Costa Rica. I worked UC operations with KiKi Camarena and his pilot, before they were murdered and I was a Military/DEA contract pilot, attached to Panama and Colombia, Costa Rica Investigative Task Force on Narcotics.

I have a secret classified file as defined within the National Security statutes under the name of William Robert (Tosh) Plumlee aka William H "Buck" Pearson code named "Zapata", Miami Cuba Desk, 1960-63 MI/CIA OMC-TFW7; Section C (locate Tab B & D) classified information; portions declassified Aug 1998. Associated with Operation 40 connected to the NSC and the "White House Situations Rooms briefings. I was a contract operative for the CIA, associated with Tracy Barns, Wild Bill Harvey, Frank Bender, John Martino and many others.

I have limited this paper to one particular mission that I was assigned to on November 20, 1963. I was a covert 'contract' military Intel pilot on civilian status for this secret operation. I have titled this work as: "The Flight To Dallas; A Pilots Memoirs". I have certified this copy as a declaration and personal testimony; a true account of my activities between November 20 through November 22, 1963

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Part 2: Flight to Dallas - November 20-22, 1963

Beginning November 20, 1963, I was assigned to be a co-pilot on a top secret flight, which was attached to a Military Intelligence unit and supported by the CIA. Our mission, we were told, was to 'Abort' a pending attempt on the President's life which was to take place in Dallas. We were contracted as "cut-outs" a system used to shield a secret operation from public exposure. Our team was based out of South Florida. My pilot for this operation was Emanuel Rojas. We had flown together before. I was the co-pilot for this operation. The first leg of the flight would be from Lantana, Florida ( about five miles south of West Palm Beach) to Tampa Florida. The aircraft used for the first phase of this trip was a D-18 Twin Beach aircraft. We took-off before day break on November 21, 1963 expecting to arrive in Tampa about sunup. We were to pick up other personal at Tampa. One of these people was John Roselli, whom I knew.

I had known John Roselli before this flight. I had flown Roselli and others to places like Cuba, Bimini, Galveston Texas, Las Vegas and California. He was also known to me as"Colonel Rawlston" or just "the Colonel". We (Rojas and I) were to pick up 'the Colonel' at Tampa's Congress Inn that morning. We changed aircraft at Tampa to a waiting DC-3 that was registered to 'Atlantic Richfield', and continued our trip to New Orleans, where a couple of people, who I did not know, got off and a few others got on. The Colonel stayed on board the DC-3. We continued our trip leaving New Orleans and continuing to Houston International Airport where we spent the night at the Shamrock Hilton, not far from the airport. We parked the aircraft on the Trans Texas side of the airport not far from the Texas Air National Guard and their AT6 type aircraft.

The next morning, November 22,1963, about 4:30-5 a.m., our weather briefing was not favorable for a VFR flight into Dallas's Red Bird airport. We selected Garland as an alternate in case the weather had not improved by the time we arrived near Dallas air space. We did not file a flight plan nor intended to file IFR. This would have left a record of our flight with air traffic control. We continued to Garland,in northeast Dallas instead of Redbird Airport in Oak Cliff, a suburb of Dallas. We made this decision because of possible bad weather southwest of Dallas that had not cleared as yet.

We arrived in Garland near daybreak. There had been so many threats against the President's life that we didn't have a great sense of urgency about this particular one. While waiting out the bad weather in Garland, and about thirty minutes after landing three of the passengers were picked up by car, including Roselli. (There are three documented corroborations of my presence at Garland airport that morning). After the weather had cleared sufficiently for the plane to continue via VFR flight rules to Redbird Airport in Dallas, we left Garland for the ten minute flight to Red Bird. We landed at Redbird around 9:30 or 10:30 a.m., perhaps as late as 11 a.m. where everybody got off and went their own way.

It was my impression at that time that I was flying an abort team into Dallas, comprised of John Roselli, a couple of Cubans and some people that I surmised were connected with organized crime in New Orleans. The CIA's specific information about the assassination, which their field personnel had obtained from Texas informants and international sources, was past to Military Intel units attached to the Pentagon. Some of this information, I had been told, came from the interrogations of Two Cubans who had plotted to fire on Air Force One with a bazooka on November 17 in West Palm Beach, Florida.

The pre-mission briefing was held at Loxahatchee, Florida on the evening of November 20th, but since I was not "field operational" at that time, except as a ‘contract pilot', I was not directly addressed at the briefing, other than routing and weather reports pertaining to flying the team into position. There would be no formal flight plans filed and the routing would be conducted under VFR (Visual Flight Rules) I only began to learn the full scope of the operation from my pilot Rojas and a field operative friend of mine named Sergio. Most of the details of this operation were told to me only after we had become airborne. I would learn more operational details upon reaching Redbird Airport.

I learned that it had been discussed by the abort team where to go, how to abort, and what to look for. I had not at first paid much attention to any of these details as bits and pieces unfolded. I was told that the abort team, for whom I was only the pilot at that time, would probably be looking for a minimum of 19 or 20 people that would be in the Plaza. Most of the team members felt that this was another false alarm, there had been many during the past few weeks. The detailed instructions to the team had come from Robert Bennett and Rex Beardsley, as well as another case office whose name I can not recall.

Although my specific assigned function was only a pilot. Upon arriving at Redbird Airport, Sergio asked me if I wanted to come along and see the President. I could also act as a spotter for him and his team, which, he said, were assigned to the south side of the plaza. I was told other members of the team would be patrolling the north side and the overpass. I understood we would be looking for a type of triangulation ambush. I gladly accepted Sergio's offer. It seemed like an adventure I didn't want to miss. We were driven from Red Bird Airport to a place not far from the Oak Cliff Country Club, then driven to Dealey Plaza, where we (Sergio and I) checked various areas and attempted to spot potential members of an attack team from the position on the South Knoll. The original information the team had received from sources in Texas and the CIA was an attempt was going to be made outside the Adolphus Hotel, but for reasons unknown to them, I was told ,the routing of the motorcade had been changed at the last minute to Dealey Plaza.

While on the south knoll, Sergio and I were attempting to evaluate the most logical places where shooters might be located, but everything was confused, the timing was off, team members were late getting into position. They were not where they were supposed to be and the limited radio contacts that we had with them were not working, or spotty at best. It was soon after our arrival that the motorcade arrived. When the shots rang out, I had the impression of 4 or 5 shots, with one being fired from behind and to my left on the South Knoll, near the underpass and south parking lot. While leaving via the south side of the underpass near the train tracks, Sergio and I smelled gunpowder. I never saw Roselli in Dealey Plaza that day.

We were picked up on the back side of the underpass, southwest side, by a person who had previously been at the Country Club. After driving away, and on the way back to Red Bird we stopped in the parking lot of Ed McLemore's Sportatorium, where Sergio changed out of the clothes he had muddied when he fell down the slippery west side of the railroad tracks. We stopped by the place in Oak Cliff, then returned to Redbird Airport. We waited for a few of the operatives who had been on our flight into Dallas to return. We waited as long as we could before departing without Roselli and some of the others. At approximately 2 o'clock in the afternoon, we took off from Red Bird without filing a flight plan. Our original flight out of Dallas called for us to fly to Shepard Air Force Base in Wichita Falls, Texas. But because of the assassination that routing was changed at the last minute by Rojas. We would head for Houston and back to south Florida.

On the plane, besides myself, were Rojas, Sergio, a person who I knew as Gator from the Loxahatchee camp, and two other individuals that I didn't know. Gator had identifying characteristics of an unusually large Adam's Apple and a missing finger, which had supposedly been bitten off at an alligator farm.

The people on the flight out of Dallas were very quiet. I interpreted their silence as dejection at the mission's failure to abort the assassination of the President. I believed that if these men had been the shooters or assassins themselves, they would have been very excited because they had carried it off. That's why to this day I take issue with the idea, which I have been asked to speculate on many times, that the attack on the President was in behalf of the CIA, Mafia, or Military Intelligence, and I had unknowingly flown an attack team in which had assassinated the President.

Part 3 - Conclusion

When I later learned that Oswald had been arrested as the lone assassin, I remembered having met him on a number of previous occasions which were connected with intelligence training matters, first at Illusionary Warfare Training in Nagshead, North Carolina, then in Honolulu at a radar installation and at Oahu's Wheeler Air Force Base, then in Dallas at an Oak Cliff safe house on North Beckley Street run by Alpha 66's Hernandez group, who had worked out of Miami prior to the assassination.

The post-mission debriefing was held on November 25th, my birthday, in West Palm Beach by Rex Beardsley, Bob Bennett and, I believe, Tracy Barnes. There was some discomfort or unhappiness about my having been present in the Plaza without authorization. Sergio was reprimanded for taking me along as a 'spotter'. The report was transmitted to field headquarters Miami to JM/WAVE Headquarters, and the CIA’s Miami Cuban Desk.

I regret that prior to the production of this narrative, the context and substance of my story has been changed and/or misstated by others to suit their own purposes. When I have spoken on tape, I have been asked to speculate on certain facts which were inaccurately produced as my own factual assertions. One of the most significant problems has been that my story has been tailored and changed to support the claims of others, about whom I knew nothing.

I certify this declaration to be true and correct to the best of my knowledge.

Dated this 21st day of November, 2004

William Robert "Tosh" Plumlee, aka William H."Buck" Pearson.

***

Notes Regarding References:

Certified military Records can be found on William R. Plumlee at the Texas Adjutant General, State of Texas, Headquarters,Texas National Guard; also at the archived files of the Fourth Army Reserve and Fifth Army, located at Camp Mabry, Austin Texas.

The following is a brief summary of these records:

Enlistment Record of William Robert Plumlee:

Texas National Guard 49th, Armored Division; United States Army, Fourth Army HDQ, Fort Bliss Texas; Fourth Army Reserve, Dallas Love Field, Dallas, Texas.

Recap of documents found at the Texas Adjutant General, Camp Mabry, Austin Texas:

William Robert Plumlee S/N RA- 18389060; 9th of Feb 1955; grade CPL; Auth for grade 25-1; enlisted under authority of (NGR25-1) For service in NGS Texas; Company C 156Tk Bn. Fourth Army Reserve; DoB 11 25 37; Civil Trade or Occupation: Aircraft Mechanic, Southwest Airmotive, Dallas Love Field, Dallas, Texas.

Enlistment Records:

22Oct52 thu 8th Feb53 NG Enl s/n25926077 Pvt disc. HonMin; Disc. 8Feb53; re enl.

28th Sept53 thu 2Mar54USAR 4th Army; 18389060 Grade at disc.USAR, CPL.

3Mar54 thu 2Jul USA s/n18389060 rank CPL; United States Army (USA) Ft Bliss Texas assn. temp dty (unknown).

6Jul54-No Record of Disc. tnsf. Texas 4th Army Res, Dallas Love Field, Dallas Texas. Co C156Tk Bn.CO Capt. assn 'Specialized operations, Intel: Commanding officers; Capt. Gilbert B Cook; Texas National Guard: 2ndLt. Charles R Brannon, Arty; Ft. Bliss, Texas, (RTC); Capt. Edward G Seiwell, Fourth Army Reserves, Dallas, Texas; MOS: WR Plumlee 1795, 3795 Tank Crew man Tk Commander, Sherman Tank. Cpl. Plumlee USA MOS 'Unknown'; Unknown sta. Ft. Bliss, Texas; Fort Hood,Texas, National Guard; Unknown.

Office of Origin (OO) Records at Office of Adjutant General State of Texas Camp Mabry, Texas.

Texas National Guard; Texas Fourth Army Reserve; Certified Copy of Available Documents By; XXX referenced doc loc. "on file".

Medical reports: Personnel Records Center, St Louis, MO.

NOTE: For anyone interesting in taking the time to open up the following links I think you will find the information more that interesting in reference as to how J.Edgar Hoover obstructed Justice in withholding inportant files from investigative committees:

There are two different sets of FBI files on William Robert Plumlee. One set was released to the HSCA; 1978, while the other (Plumlee/Rosellie; 62-2116 file) was not declassified until 1997. A careful review of these pages will show how J Hoover withheld information contained within FBI files from the HSCA as well as other investigative committees:

NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REFERENCED FBI FILES HAVE BEEN REMOVED. (DECEMBER 1, 2004) AFTER I WAS ADVISED THAT WITHIN THOSE RELEASED FOIA FBI PAGES CONTAINED MATTERS WHICH ARE STILL CLASSIFIED "TOP SECRET COMMITTEE SENSITIVE", AS RECLASSIFIED ON AUGUST 12, 1991. I WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS AT THE TIME SOME OF THESE PAGES WERE POSTED BY ME ON THIS FORUM. I WILL REVIEW THESE PAGES AND REPOST THE REFE



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Interview with Chauncey Holt
THE MAN THAT DROVE
CHARLES NICOLETTI INTO DALLAS

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TRANSCRIPT OF VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW WITH CHAUNCEY MARVIN HOLT.
HOUSTON, TEXAS, OCTOBER 19, 1991.
INTERVIEWERS PRESENT- JOHN CRAIG, PHILLIP ROGERS, GARY SHAW.

TRANSCRIBED BY WILLIAM E. KELLY, APRIL, 1992.

Names followed by question mark are spelled phonetically.

- The gentleman we are interviewing is Chauncey Marvin Holt.

Holt: My true name is Chauncey Marvin Holt. Throughout the years I have used many, as many as 25, perhaps 30 aliases, I don't remember them all. Starting with the first ones that I do remember, that were prominent in operations, there was Robert Ralston, Jack Hall, Jack Moon, Curley Sigler, William Dean Rutz...John Moon...

Those were the main alias that we used throughout the years. We did use other aliases, which are called, "floating identities", one time things, that you just sign your name on, which was used not only by me, but others as well. The best known one, I suppose, was Edward Joe Hamilton, which was used by a number of people. And I used that also, from time to time.

-When were you born?

Holt: I was born on October 23, 1921, in a little hamlet called Pine Knoll, Kentucky. My date of birth is October 23, 1921 although on some records it is referred to I was born in January of 1921, for the simple reason that I entered the (military) service before I was 18 years old and I moved my date of birth back. But I was born on October 23, 1921.

I have three social security numbers, at least three. My legitimate social security number is 402-32-1339. I am presently drawing social security under three different numbers because I worked under those names and I paid under those names.

-Can you give us some background on your military career?

Holt: On October 11, 1939 I joined what was then the Army Air Corps. It was part of the Army at that time. It was known as the Brown Shoe Air Force in those days. While in flight training I was very rebellious. I didn't take very well to hazing that we came under. The Army at that time was full of misfits. You had guys in there that couldn't do anything else and made a career of it. And do they delighted in hazing people. It was part of the game as far as the Air Force was concerned, but I didn't take too well with it. There was on guy who picked on me. He always picked on me. His name was Lada (?) He was a disgrace to the uniform.

So one day he came out and he picked on me on the wrong day, and he made some serious remarks and I hit him with a Springfield and chased him across the quadrangle. Hit him at every jump. I would have killed him if it wasn't for the MP's. Of course I got a general court martial. They gave me five years and sent me out to the U.S. penitentiary barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, where you really do hard time. Of course general court marshals are always subject to review by reviewing authorities. So after 7 months they decided to review my case and reduce my sentence to that 7 months that I had served up to that point and turned me back to duty, although they didn't put me back in the Air Corps. I went into the newly formed Armor Force that was formed in January of 1940. After I was turned back to duty, this is in June, 1940, I found it very difficult to adjust to the Army life. I had a bad reputation. I got all the worst assignments. I am not making excuses for what happened. But it really wasn't any picnic. We continued on. I would be in and out of trouble until 1941. Of course in December,...After I was turned back to duty, I had bad luck in getting bad commanding officers and that sort of thing. And being a rebellious teenager in the first place, I mean I didn't take to well to it. Actually I didn't adjust to Army life too well. It was a bad time. I struggled through it until 1941...until, you know, Pearl Harbor.

You know, I think that Pearl Harbor,...another guy and I went AWOL on Pearl Harbor day. We went back and continued our duty until the early part of 1942. This friend of mine said he had an automobile from his cousin, and we decided to go from Fort Knox to Louisville.

-This is early 1941 or 1942?

Holt: This is early 1942. In any case we got caught joy riding in this automobile, and the FBI frankly, tried to make a (federal) case against us. They didn't identify themselves and asked us questions and so forth and did lots and lots of work trying to prove we had taken this car, which the cousin said "No, he didn't do it." So we wouldn't plead guilty and went to trial and they did a great deal of work trying to prove we took this car across state lines, which we didn't. But they finally ended up charging us with 4 or 5 counts of violations of the Dyer Act. One charge going over, one charge coming back, one charge going here. Although the FBI claimed we pleaded guilty, I got the original FBI report. It indicates they had done considerable work on this. The Commonwealth of Kentucky refused to indict us, the FBI office in Louisville.

Through the Freedom of Information Act we got our FBI file. Hoover himself sent a wire from Washington D.C. to the Special Agent In Charge in Louisville wanting to know why we hadn't been convicted.

Now here we are, in the middle of a war, and he's taking his time out. They actually perjured themselves and we were convicted. And we were given just two years, and gave us time served so that reduced it to 18 months. Chillicotte, Ohio. The U.S. Industrial Reformatory at Chillicotte, where I met some very interesting individuals, including Bob Swick, who was an enforcer for the Licavoli's.

And it was through Swick...I was paroled in December of 1942. He (Swick) said "Hey, if you ever need too, I'll give you an introduction to Licavoli." So I went to the draft board and talked to them about re-entering the service, and a parole officer said to me, "No, you need special permission from the Secretary of War to do this. Why don't you just sit out the war and work in a defense plant?" So for the rest of the war I worked for the Bethelem-Fairfield Shipyard Company. I worked in the design department, time and motion department. I designed, primarily, bulkheads. So I stayed there until the end of the war. And at the end of the war, I contacted Peter Licavoli. I gave him my background. And we went to Florida.

-Would you identify Licavoli for us.

Holt: Licavoli was a high ranking member of the Mafia who was involved in three of the most sensational murders in American history. The killing of Jerry Buckly, a crusading reporter, a supposedly crusading reporter in 1935, the killing of Jackie Kennedy, the beer baron of Toledo, not the president, and of course he was one of the principles in the St. Valentine's Day massacre, because it was their trucks. But Bugs Moran was highjacking to Capone.

But he didn't talk very much about that until many, many years later. But years later he'd reminiscence about those things.

Licavoli, he was originally from St. Louis, but at the time he was in Detroit. He was one of the five ruling Dons of Detroit, along with John Prisoli?, Angelo Mali?, Black Billdetoko? and Anthony Zerilli. Those five ran Detroit. Their activities ranged all the way from St. Louis to Youngstown. They controlled race tracks...they owned Hoyel (?) Track in Detroit, River Downs in Louisville, and James Licavoli, who was notorious in his own right, actually ran Youngstown, Ohio. They were, of course, into Florida. Most of the casinos in Florida at that time were owned 1/3 New York, 1/3 Trafficante-Lansky, 1/3 Detroit. They were into everything.

-Who were your major associates during that time?

Holt: When we went to Florida, the person we answered to in Florida was an individual by the name of Mert Whorhammer (?).

First I was in Jacksonville Beach, Florida, where they put me in there as a book keeper at a place called Kite's Bar & Grill. Now it looked like an innocent sort of place, but it was the center for all numbers rackets in the Jacksonville area.

The reason I went down there was Kite was coming up short in his proceeds. Their business was dropping off about $15,000 a week and they figured that Mr. Kite probably had his hand in the till. So we went down there and I stayed there about a month as a book keeper, numbers writer, that sort of thing. And as soon as we found out that, yeah, he was stealing, I moved on. Then I went on....

-What happened to him? To Kite?

Holt: He ended up with a pea in his head, as they say. They found him floating in the surf off Jacksonville Beach.

Then I went down to the casino area. The Miami area. Broward County at that time was in full swing. I immediately went to work for an accounting firm, a very respectable accounting firm. But they handled all of Meyer Lansky's accounting work. All the companies that worked for Lansky. Many of them were noted philanthropists. Max Horowitz, Dan Ruskin, Barrry Berheishyer?, Sam Becker...

The firm that I worked for at the time was a firm called Albis?, Aldimus?, Morgan and Weinberg. They handled all of Lansky's accounting work, among other things. They were very, very respectable. We did accounting work during the day and we handled gambling proceeds at night.... The principle that I worked for more than any other,...at the Colonial Inn, which is next door to the Gulton? Park Race Track. It was the plushiest of the carpet joints at that time. That and La Boheme. They were both in Broward County. They referred to Broward County as 'Lansky County'. He owned the sheriff, he owned everything.

-What was your knowledge of Lansky at that time?

Holt: Well, I knew that he had been a long time,...he wasn't a Mafia member, of course, but he was a Mafia associate and he went back a long way, to the Bugsy Siegel days when they were actually enforces for the Mafia. They were executing contracts for them. Lansky was always a real money maker for them. That's why they associated with him, although he was Jewish. Just as Licavoli cooperated with the Cleveland branch, who also was all Jews, or like New Jersey, ones like Longie Zwillman, were Jews. The Jews and Italians collaborated and cooperated with one another although those guys, the Jews, were actually never members of the Mafia.

-Were you hired by Lansky or by an associate?

Holt: I was hired by him personally.

-So you knew him well?

Holt: I knew him well after I went to work for the firm - Adison-Costa...Then Mr. Costa did, he was Italian. Then it became Adison, Morgan, Aldis, Weinberg. Then Adison left and formed a bank for Lansky, actually the Industrial Bank, which they owned.

Even when working for the accounting firm we had offices, ...I had an office in Miami Beach at one of Lansky's companies, which was called the Gator Corporation, which he used as a vehicle for practically all the other work that he did, including at the time, the main thing at that time, he was working with Louis Wolfson and they were trying to make a raid on American Motors. They didn't take it over, but they bought a lot of stock. Max Orbitson, Dan Ruskin were planning for Lansky at the time, and both of them ultimately got convicted for their association with Lansky.

-Were you ever in and out of Cuba at this time?

Holt: Many times. They were involved in setting up the casinos with Trafficante and others. Norman Rothman for instance. In Cuba...we went to Cuba many times. At that point in time Carlos Prio was President of Cuba and Batista was in exile. It was Lanksy who was instrumental in getting Prio to allow Batista back into the country. He came back into the country and one day he just walked into the Presidential Palace apparently, and made Prio an offer he couldn't refuse. This is how Batista,...Batista was always in Lansky's pocket. So we were back and forth there in regards to the casinos.

Later on, when Castro started kicking up a force, and of course after he had landed there in the Escambray Mountains, Lansky, to hedge his bet, began offering assistance to Castro in the form of money and arms that were flying in. So although he was a very close friend of Batista, he was still assisting Castro. Around that time flying arms to Castro was no problem. The State Department didn't bother you at all. They just tolerated it. So that was the experience in Havana.

-Was it at this period in time that you got involved with the CIA?

Holt: That came later. We went into Cuba many times before, without having anything to do with the CIA. How I came to be connected to the CIA in the beginning was the formation, in May 1950, of the Kefauver Committee. The Kefauver committee was scheduled to begin hearings in May 1950. At that time I was working for an accounting firm, the Eisner Firm, Dan and Seymour Eisner. They were scheduled to be the first witnesses subpoenaed before the Kefauver committee and we knew we wouldn't be far behind. And Lansky, of course, they tried to subpoena him but they were never able to get him before the committee. He was probably the only organized crime figure that evaded the Kefauver Committee. Every other one they got, but him. So I started looking around for another job. I had to leave there and Lanksy said, "I'll put you into the International Rescue Committee - the IRC- as Controller."

-What was the IRC ?

Holt: At the time I thought it was a philanthropic organization like the Red Cross or something. But when I went over there, Lansky didn't explain anything about the position, he just said to go over there and your job description will be forthcoming. So I went over there and sat around for a couple of weeks reading the Racing Form when a guy by the name of Sluder? came down from Washington, I suppose, and informed me that this IRC was a propriety interest of the CIA. That its main function was dispensing funds for the agency. At that time I didn't know what a propriety interest was. Didn't even known what the CIA was.

-He said you would be working for him?

Holt: Yes, well, that I would be working for the agency. At that time of course, I was a pilot. I had been a pilot since 1937. I was an accomplished artist. I was one of the best shots around. I was probably in....?? too.

Richard Sluder, I assumed that he came from Washington D.C. He did not show me any credentials.

- Your impression was that the CIA was working in conjunction with organized crime in carrying out its activities, with propriety interests and so forth?

Holt: Yes. I was sure of it. Actually I talked with Meyer Lansky about it as soon as I was informed about what kind of operation it was. I went to him and asked him. And he said they had been in bed, ...his exact words were, "We've been in bed together since 1944." He elaborated a little bit on how they were able to get Lucky Luciano deported and the deals they made and how they made the deals with the Anastasia brothers, Tony and Albert, who were in control of the docks. So they wouldn't have any more acts of sabotage like the Normandy, and that sort of thing. And so we knew they scratched each other's backs.

-What about the IRC?

Holt: The IRC was concerned with two things. First was the situation in Cuba, and secondly, their primary concern at that time was in Guatemala.

It looked like Arbenz, who was a left leaning individual, had a good chance of winning an election. In 1948, (Jorge) Ubico had been the dictator of Guatemala at that point. They overthrew him in 1948 and they were concerned that Arbenz would win the election and consequently the communists would have a foothold in Latin America. So we turned our full attention to Guatemala, both from a fiscal standpoint in trying to send money down there to try to effect the election, and to even to interfere with the election that was coming up, to the extent of knocking off (Franscisco) Arana and blaming it on Arbenz. And he won the election....

As far as organized crime went, Meyer Lansky, we were loyal to Meyer Lansky and to Peter Licavoli even though I was working for the IRC. We were involved in handling various accounting functions for both Licavoli and Lansky. Even after the closing of the casinos.

In Miami, in 1948, in Broward County, they closed them all up in 1948. All of them. But Lansky had for....really interesting. Once you had his loyalty and respect. Then we did a number of things that concerned us at the time. You had to remember that casino operators were just beginning in Las Vegas. They were building the Flamingo. It was rumored that Bugsy Siegel was squirreling away some money that he and Virginia Hill were going to take off with. They got the word, and organized crime had some $6 million invested in the Flamingo at the time. I went out with Lansky, simply because I was an accountant. We went out in December 1946, I guess it was. Of course that predated when I was with the IRC. But that was one of the things we were doing. We went out to check on Bugsy Siegel. He was killed in 1947. But we did the same sort of thing all though the 50s and 54 and all the way up to 1958. Never deviated from that, as far as doing the work for Licavoli and Meyer Lansky. It had very little to do with Trafficante. He of course, was the number one guy in Florida. But he was in Tampa. We had very little to do with him.

-When did you start to forge documents and run proprietaries for the CIA?

Holt: We started almost at once, in 1950, to try to figure out ways to establish identities. The first one we did was the name of Robert Ralston, which was the name I used when we went down to Guatemala. They had suggested that I use,... at the time I was using the name Holt, and they suggested that I create some kind of an identity. And I started at once, creating the Moon identity, which went back to that time. But we were doing documentation in a small way, even then. It didn't really come to full fruitation until we went to California, in which they really wanted various documentation mills.

-Was it a proprietary interest?

Holt: A proprietary interest is what you call a wholly owned subsidiary. It is owned by the CIA. I mean they own it lock, stock and barrel, as opposed to,...they also have assets. They are someone who does something else and are called on, like newspaper men,...a lot of things. They have agents of influence - they are agents who are used form time to time to do the CIA's bidding. They have, of course, the full blown contract agents, who usually work for some propriety interests, or they are freelance, that they call on. They have contract agents so they can have plausible deniablity. That's the number one thing.

During the Bay of Pigs it was reputed that they owned 56 companies in the Miami area. They had detective agencies, they had insurance companies, they had printing companies, airlines, they had their own little fleet, and of course they had the Lykes Line, which was out of New Orleans. But the Lykes Line was always at their beck and call, although it wasn't really owned by them.

-What is a documentation mill?

Holt: I am talking about providing full sets of ID identity, either floating ones, that anyone can use, or deep cover ones. Usually on a deep cover ones would be partially...You would use the IDs that are produced to actually generate something thatUs actually genuine. In other words, if you needed a driver's license you would use something like a birth certificate to get the documents that were real. We use to produce credit cards and so forth, functional, but not usable, used for ID identification. But you didn't charge anything on them.

-How did you create the identify of John R. Moon?

Holt: As far as Moon went, I knew a John R. Moon. I knew enough about him. And this is the same technique used in establishing all of these things. I know enough about John R. Moon. I knew where he was born, I knew where he went to school, I knew everything about him. We acquired this information in a very simple way. We simply advertised (for a job) and he sent in his resume. In which I just picked it up. Now the resume that was sent in, this man's name was actually Jack Ralph Moon. Now everybody knows that Jack is the nickname for John. His name was actually Jack, but I decided to....(break in tape).

-Please repeat the answer.

Holt: We used the standard procedure that we used in practically all of the long standing ones that we were going to use. You found out as much as you could about this individual, where he was born, parents, school, everything about him. In the case of Moon, we got the information from the resume he sent us. He put everything on there.

You have to remember that back in that period, establishing identification was much easier than it is today. For instance, I could go into the Department of Motor Vehicles and get a drivers license without any problem. You could go to a bank and open an account by just putting money in there. You could go to the Post Office and get a P.O. box. They didn't ask you for anything at all. No problem. You didn't need to verify anything. Later, throughout the years, it became more difficult. They wanted authenticated verification. So we had to develop some information that would get us a genuine driver's license or something like that. An authentic drivers license is a must because you can not run around using a forged driver's license.

-What is the advantage of using the name of a real person, as opposed to making up a fictitious alias?

Holt: So long as you don't have interference from the real person, because this person actually exists. In the case, as in most of them, you had people running around actually with 2 names. In some cases, of course, you would pick a person that had to be dead. Unless someone actually knew they were dead, they would have an advantage. It is very hard to build up an identity that is completely false that will absolutely stand up. You have got to have some kind of a background.

-How did you develop your skills as a forger? How did you learn your craft?

Holt: Well, I was interested in art from the time I was six, seven years old. I sold my first painting in 1927 and I had been painting continually. During the war, when I worked at the Bethelem-Fairfield Shipyard Company, I was very interested in art and thought I'd like to make a career of it. I went to the Baltimore Art Institute. I also did anatomical drawings for some well known scientists at the John Hopkins University, actually the School of Medicine. Mostly there were physical anthropologists, so I was always interested in increasing my skills as a draftsman, and I was noted as being one of the better ones around. It just naturally followed that you could forge.

-What about the CIA operations against Castro you were involved in?

Holt: Operation Mongoose was the yoke and seed, almost idiotic plan to assassinate Castro, in which they decided, of the plans that they had, the one that ended up as Mongoose was the most ridiculous of all, in which they decided to use organized crime. The idea, I guess, was that organized crime was as skillful at that sort of thing.

There may be certain types of assassination that they're good at, but other types they're not. So they enlisted the better known names, Giancana, Roselli, in Operation Mongoose. And you had Edward Lansdale, and William King Harvey, all the guys who became legends. And there is no use in expounding on their careers and how they got involved in this.

Also, one of the lesser known people involved in this was Peter Licavoli. Licavoli was a confidant, close to both Giancana and Roselli. And he had a ranch in Tucson, Arizona. It was very nicely placed and had a landing strip on it. So he was involved in Mongoose because of the location (of his ranch), and it was a nice place to have meetings and they had meetings there. His involvement in Mongoose was a marginal type thing.

I really don't think that Roselli or Giancana or Maheu ever were all that serious about knocking off Castro. They wanted to get some leverage against the government. They were trying to deport Roselli, they were chasing Giancana all over the landscape and they were willing to use anything they could to actually give them an edge.

-You were involved in this operation. What were your duties?

Holt: We provided some assistance to them in the form of identification. We did very little actually as far as the operational end of it. As for as they were trying to poison Castro, they had some plan that we understood to be a viable plan that had been hatched by (Rafael) Trujillo. Of course you forget that Trujillo hated Castro with a passion and was an old hand at assassination. He was the one they could turn to if they,....I thought that was the best plan. Though they had a pretty good plan in place at one time where they were going to knock off Castro during one of those harranges at the television studio where he walks back and forth. But before they had a chance to implement it, the CIA and the State Department decided they were going to rid the country of Trujillo, so they concluded this thing.

But I am not as knowledgeable about Mongoose as some other operations. We (I) knew what was going on, we talked to William King Harvey. We discussed, we had seen Lansdale one time. We met down at Ray Ryan's place in Palm Springs. Ray Ryan was a big gambler, an oil man. He was friends with Licavoli and Giancana. He had a propriety interest in Palm Springs - the Bermuda Dunes Airport, which is owned by the CIA. We had a meeting down there in which time, it was the only time I participated when all those groups got together. Which was in December, 1961, when they discussed project ZR/RIFLE. How they intended to proceed, they also indicated that James J. Angleton knew about it. And that they were going to insert things into what was called, we referred to as the Central Registry. They referred to them as the 201 Files. We were referring to them as the Central Registry. Frankly I don't know the difference between the 201 File and the Central Registry. Now the Central Registry was...I don't know the difference.

-What other operations were you more involved in than Mongoose?

Holt: Well after Castro came to power in January, 1959, there was a very, very short honeymoon, and the CIA began at once, or certain elements of the CIA was involved. The official stance from Langley was that they wanted no part in it. But other operatives from the CIA, together with organized crime, together with some anti-Castro Cubans, some of them were from Batista, some of them were from the Carlos Prio regime and so forth, were very anxious to get rid of Castro.

At that time Castro's grip on Cuba was actually not that great. I mean that he was very heavily opposed, not only by Cubans in Miami, but by Cubans who were in Cuba at the time. They had a second front organization, which was critical. The second front organization which we were flying material, providing money and buying boats for them, and that was what led to the operation that William Alexander Morgan, - that I knew very well, whose career paralleled my own. I knew him. He was down there. He came to Miami, he and a guy named Talaha?, who had been an official in the Batista government. They were trying to develop funds for this operation. It turns out that Morgan was a double crosser and Castro knew all about the entire matter. And they actually had a bunch of Globemasters that were outfit by a company that Jimmie Hoffa owned, and they were actually scheduled to fly troops. One group actually went into Trinidad. They were putting up a big demonstration for them. Guns fired, and they saw signs all over the place saying, "Viva Americans", "Down With Castro." It was all really hyped.

Actually they were trying to get the principle down there to execute him. It turned out that only a handful went down there, 10-12 guys, in a C-54, and Castro grabbed the.

-What about the Bay of Pigs?

Holt: Well our involvement, I was still with the IRC - the International Rescue Committee. Our involvement as far as the IRC went, was strictly from a fiscal point of view.

Initially the Bay of Pigs was to be a very small, secret operation. It depended upon the uprising of the Cuban people. It wasn't going to be an over the beach amphibious assault that it finally turned into. But after it got transformed, a guy from the Marine Corps, Jack Hawkins came over, then it got to be a, like a Terra-type of assault. It became a great logistical problem. The thing to do was to look around and get, especially the ships and other equipment, this was simply, principally what the IRC did at that time. It was a conduit for all of those funds,...but the logistical problems.

....Like some of the others like Rip Robertson and Grayston Lynch, who as far as I know were the only two Americans that were actually on board ship at the time. We had very little involvement in that.

-Where were you?

Holt: I was in Miami. I left in t he latter part of April, almost immediately after the Bay of Pigs. I went to California. It w as partly because a purging from the company and partly at the insistence of Licavoli and Lansky. I just wanted a change of scenery and they said, "Why don't you go to California? We need a documentation mill out there. We have a lot of friends out there,..." And that's when I went out there, before the assassination of Trujillo. I went to California in May, 1961.

-Would you characterize your activity at this time as criminal, but authorized?

Holt: It was all very criminal and involved,...was authorized by the CIA, and some was not. Every contract agent that I knew had some little thing going on the side. And the CIA never objected, so long as it did not interfere with their operations. When we had a documentation mill and we were forging documents and disinformation for them, and if we wanted to do something else on our own, we got no interference from them at all.

-What about the the Bay of Pigs fiasco. It was a disaster for this country, and much of the blame was laid at the feet of John Kennedy. Do you recall the scuttlebutt? What was going through the grapevine of your group at this time?

Holt: It ran very strongly against him, not only with the Americans, but with the Cubans, to the point where his conduct was characterized as cowardly, as treasonous and they felt they had been led into something and they were simply deserted. And this would not have happened if there was another president.

-How did Licavoli and Lansky feel about it?

Holt: Both of them held great resentment...although both of these individuals, as they knew it, thought the plan was too hard. They didn't think that was the way to retake Cuba. They were as interested as anyone else in getting back because it cost millions in casino receipts and they were very interested in it, but both of these individuals thought, their viewpoint was that this couldn't have happened under a president like Eisenhower, and Eisenhower, of course, was president during the Guatemala operation, and he gave full responsibility to the commanders there to do what they would, and if they needed military backup, they would have it.

-In California you worked for both the CIA and organized crime. Would you describe that?

Holt: When I first went to California I had a long list of friends of either Lansky, organized crime and the Company, and of course, I was looking for employment and the company was looking for businesses there. Perhaps one that I could run. Something within my capabilities. So one of the longtime assistants of Meyer Lansky was Doc Stacher. He finallly ended up, ...he was a titan of organized crime, like Lansky. The only time they ever got Lansky was on some gun wrap in upstate New York. And Stacher was arrested with him. So he had a lot of influence in California and we went out there and were given a lot of very prominent names of people who we could count on for employment or for assistance. Among those were Goodwin Knight, a former governor of California. There was Alfred Giberson?, who was a Superior Court Judge, and a whole group of individuals who worked with him, known as the KG Group. They had a company called KGO, and maybe a dozen companies they operated.

Among the individuals that was with him was Morris Kaling?, Sid Colby?, Isadore Reinhard?, these were guys who Lansky said, "If you want a job, you go to these guys. They are always looking for someone whose talented, yet not to scrupulous to do these things."

On the other hand, we also had some democrats. These guys were all dyed in the water republicans, but we also had some democrats. Principally among these was Frank Belcher, who was one of the most prominent attorneys in California, president of bar associations, he was very rich, his wife was a Penitz?, and he could be counted on to provide service. His grand daughter was with the Bank of America. So we were given these people, and they said, "We're also looking for some other interests. We're looking for a documentation mill. We'd like to have an on going firm. So we started looking into an old line company - the Los Angeles Stamp and Stationary Company, LASCO, which was owned by Philip Shore. He was the board director, and he was in dire financial straits. So the Company came in and bailed him out. He had a real nice building in downtown Los Angeles. They did all types of badges, banners, that sort of thing. They had police badges actually, from every municipality in the United States. They had drawers of them. So it was the type of operation the CIA was looking for.

-When you say "the Company" you mean the CIA.

Holt: Yes.

-They actually gave you instructions to look for a specific propriety company that they could acquire in LA to produce documents that we have described here as illegal, illicit forms that could pass for real documents?

Holt: Yes. LASCO, we referred to it, we bailed them out and brought in a man by the name of Tony Materna, who had been very high up in the Hughes organization, to run the company. 95% of their business was legitimate, and they continued to do their legitimate business. Probably 5%, not more, would be for the Company. But if you needed something, then they had a wonderful facility. Four stories, the lower three stories were devoted to their, what you would call legal activities. The top floor had all this specialized graphics equipment, photograph studio....we used that from 1961 till 1972.

They were also interested in a fixed base operation where they had hangers, airport repair facilities and that sort of thing. We found that at Bermuda Dunes, which is between Palm Springs and Indio, California. It was isolated. It was a nice area, and the Company put up the money to buy Bermuda Dunes Airport, which was fronted by Ray Ryan, a big developer in that area, and Ernie Dunlevy, who had been an Air Force pilot and had connections with the OSS.

We also located at the Van Nuys Airport, where we had a facility that was operated by an individual by the name of Roger Clarke. His last name had an 'e' on the end. He had a number of very qualified flight instructors, all of whom had flown for Paragon Air Service in Miami and Inter-Mountain, which was another propriety interest of the Company which was not as well known as Air America or CAT, but was the same type of operation. Ray Rafferty was a full time flight instructor who had flown for Paragon Air.

James J. Canty was a high level official of the Veterans Administration. He was able to, this gave him plenty of opportunity to fly all over the country. He had no problem at all going anywhere he wanted to. At the same time Frank Belcher Jr. had a company, Belcher Aircraft. Although his father and mother were worth millions, they sort of looked down the nose at him because he married the wrong girl. So they weren't giving him too much in the way of financial assistance. So he went into Belcher Aircraft, and we also used him from time to time because he was an ATR? rated pilot and he was a very close personal friend. He was the type of person who would not shrink from asking you to do anything and you wouldn't shrink from asking him to do anything. There are very few individuals in that business that fit into that category.

-At this time you did some printing that ended up with Lee Harvey Oswald?


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Telephone call with Faith Files 5/12/2007



- Faith has known James Files from her teens and was married to him from 1971 untill he went to jail in 1980. When I first called her she did not want to talk to me, as she first wanted to know more about me. I promised to send her a package of DVD's and my book, in order to give her a better understanding of who I am and my involvement with the James Files story. When I called her again after a month or so, I decided to record the call as I realized she could potentially corroborate important elements of the confession of James. About a year later I confessed to her that I had recorded the phone call. Initially she was upset about this, but on June 20, 2008 she granted me permission to publish the transcript of the call on this website. I wish to express my gratitude to her, for as you will see, she corroborates crucial elements of his confession:

- He was in the military and court martialed.
- he was in South East Asia and training for the Bay of Pigs
- He used the name James Sutton when he was young
- The kidnapping and torture
- His association with Charles Nicoletti
- Nicoletti gave him a diary
- He was close with Wolfman (who made the special loads for Dallas)
- The Fireball


Faith - Hello?

Wim - This is Wim ..........from Holland

Faith - Oh, hi!

Wim - Faith, did you receive my package?

Faith - Yes , I did

Wim - Okay, but you haven't had time to look at it, I guess.

Faith - I have started ..... looking at it.

Wim - Well then, you know a little bit more about me now...

Faith - (laughs) ...yeah .... so are you interviewing Jim or is that somebody else? ....

Wim - No, it's me and Jim Marrs. Jim Marrs is.., well in the JFK research community he is a rather well known journalist and investigator. He also wrote books about aliens and UFO's ... I'm not into that at all, but he has also worked his life on the JFK assassination, so he's rather famous in that area.

Faith - Mmm (acknowledges that she understands)

Wim - But I was curious, what made you move to such a far away state?

Faith - Arizona, for the retirement....that's a nicer place ...... with no cold..

Wim - Yeah, it's not snowing there I guess in the winter.

Faith - No ..... it's in the desert, so ....

Wim - Yeah... it's a pity that Jimmy can't move

Faith - Is he still in jail? I haven't heard from him in a long time.

Wim - Yeah , he 's still in jail. How long have you been out of touch with him?

Faith - Aah.. quite a while .. it's ... oh I don't even remember ...it has been quite a while.

Wim - About 10 years?

Faith - Probably.

Wim - And do you have one daughter with him? Or two?

Faith - One.

Wim - And that's Kathy, isn't it?

Faith - No, Kathy is from his first marriage.

Wim - Oh, Okay ......

Faith - Have you talked to her?

Wim - No.. I don't know where she is, or where she lives. Probably in Illinois, right?

Faith - Yes, probably. I know she is married but I don't know her last name.

Wim - Yeah ... okay...

Faith - Have you talked to his first wife?

Wim - No, but I know when she married Jimmy her name was Eleanor Schramm, right? And now it's Eleanor Albert.

Faith - Oh yes, that's what it was, I couldn't remember, but that's what it is, yeah.

Wim - Yeah, but she's not in a phonebook. I do have an envelope of her here .......with an address .....ah you know I can find her in USsearch.com but not in the white pages. You know, I have tried, but Albert is not such a, well it's a rather common name also.

Faith - Oh is it?

Wim - Yeah, so there are more Alberts, so it's difficult to locate her. But I would like to contact her.

Faith - Well, I don't know how to contact her either. I haven't heard from her in probably 20 years.

Wim - Yes, but did you watch any of the DVDs yet?

Faith - Yes, I started watching it. I didn't finish it yet quite but, aaah ... it's interesting. I know I wasn't married to him when he supposedly did that but... ah ....

Wim - No, I know that, but what year did you marry him? When did you first get to know him? That's also a little fuzzy to me, because I never asked him about that, you know. Untill now I was only interested in his story about JFK and other things, not so much in his private life.

Faith - Well, why do you want to know about, you know, the private stuff?

Wim - Well, because there is some opposition to his story. Or in fact there is very little opposition to his story, I mean people that actually see his interview, you know, are basically blown away, but there are a few discreditors who take every opportunity to say he is lying about this and that, and one such area is that he is lying about his military service, you know. They say he cannot prove he was in the military ...... Of course he has no reason to lie about that, so I am very convinced that he was in the military, but people ...... since he cannot prove it, because he claims all his files were erased ... you know, it's difficult for me to counter that.

Faith - mmm (acknowledging)

Wim - Well , that is why I'm glad I found you. Because maybe you could confirm that he was in the military?

Faith - Well, ... I don't know for sure ........

Wim - No, but he did tell you that he was in the military, right?

Faith - Yes.

Wim - And do you remember when it was, what the first time was when he told you this?

Faith - You know, his first wife might be able to tell you better than I could, about his military. I don't know if he was married to her when he went in or .....

Wim - Well... no, he married her after that, because he was in the military at quite a young age . He went in when he was 17, and he came out I guess when he was 19. And .... in the interview he specifies all that. So after that, I think it was in 1963, yeah, he married Eleanor. He´s also talking about that in the interview ... ..Oh no, that´s another interview, I can still send you another interview where he talks about that.

Faith - Mmm... Does he talk about me at all?

Wim - No.......no, but you know I didn't take that interview where he talks about Eleanor..... because the people ask him, you know, did your first wife know that you were in Dallas? And he explains all that: Half of the time she wouldn't know where I was. Because "I was drinking quite heavily, and my business was mine, and she didn't even dare to ask where I was, .... so she also didn't know that I was in Dallas." And he says well, "I'm not proud of that, because I was drinking quite heavily and I was not being so nice to her." That's what he tells about her. I understood that she is still rather fond of him. It was not her doing, what I understood, that they went apart.

Faith - I don't remember ......... I know we met them when they were still together. I mean, I met him when I was 16 .... when we were kids.

Wim - Oh? You were only 16?

Faith - Yeah, and I was still in school. And then I married somebody, and we lost track of each other, and then .. aah, I don't remember when we ...

Wim - Ah, so that must have been the end of the eighties, somewhere ....

Faith - No, that was the fifties.

Wim - Oh? You met him even before he married?

Faith - Yeah. I was in school. He was 16 too. We're just about the same age.

Wim - Aaah! Okay.

Faith - And his name was Sutton then.

Wim - Ah? ....... Oh, that's good! (laughs) .... Because they also try to say that he never used the name Sutton. But you remember that he used the name Sutton?

Faith - Yes.

Wim - Okay, very nice, that's good! Because they also try to discredit that. Do you also know when he started to use the name Files?

Faith - No, I don't. Like I said I got married and he went about his business. We didn't see each other for several years. And then my husband and I saw him somewhere, and we became friends with him and his wife. But then, you know, we saw each other once in a while. I don't know why they separated.

Wim - Ah yeah.

Faith - But then later on my husband and I divorced, and then him and I started dating.

Wim - Ah okay, so you first met him when you were a teenager and then you hooked up together much later then?

Faith - Yeah, in the seventies.

Wim - In the seventies, okay, so you married in the seventies with him?

Faith - I think it was ..... yeah, I think so .

Wim - Like 73 or 74 or more.....

Faith - No, I think it was 70 or 71. I don't remember, I would have to look it up.

Wim - And were you still married when he went to jail? To the Oxford prison?

Faith - Yeah, and we had a daughter, in 75

Wim - Ah okay. And what was the first time that he told you that he had been in the military? Was that right after ......

Faith - Oh, he probably mentioned it a few times, I don't remember.

Wim - But when you married him, he already had told you that? That he had been a soldier?

Faith - Yeah

Wim - Okay, did he also tell you where?

Faith - Ah ...He said over in Vietnam. You know, with the Bay of Pigs and stuff.

Wim - Yeah, well, the Bay of Pigs was Cuba, that was not .......

Faith - Well, Cuba, whatever! (laughs)

Wim - Well, first he was in Vietnam, and after he got out of that, he was recruited for the Bay of Pigs.

Faith - Mmm (affirming)

Wim - So right when you were married in the seventies you already knew that he had been involved in the Bay of Pigs and uh ....

Faith - Well, he never really talked much about it, he just mentioned it. Yeah, that he was in the service and ....

Wim - Well, it supports ... It's nice for me to know wether he said that when all this stuff about JFK came out, or way before that. When you first met him you already knew that he had mentioned the Bay of Pigs and his service in South East Asia? Is that correct?

Faith - Mmm, yeah.

Wim - Uuh, did Jimmy ever mention anything about his court martial to you?

Faith - Yeah, he said he was court martialed and dishonorly discharged

Wim - Yeah, but it was swept under the carpet, right?

Faith - Mmm (confirming)

Wim - And that was because? ..... He is still a little bit skimmish to talk about this in the interviews...

Faith - Oh...

Wim - Not with me, because I didn't ask him about it, but he doesn't really want to go into it, because he said he killed two of his own men...

Faith- Oh, I don't know what happened, he just said he was courtmartialed.

Wim - Yeah, and that was also when you first met him? I mean this was not lately, but when you were married with him, right?

Faith - Oh, yeah.

Wim - Okay ..... Well uuh, is there anything more you want to know about me?

Faith - Well ah ... I heard that his daughter ..... that he got 25 thousand from this other guy? And that he gave it to his daughter?

Wim - Well, uuh, I think he got it from Dick Clark productions. The other guy hooked up with Dick Clark, and Dick Clark agreed to give him 50 thousand that would go to , yeah (thinking) ... to both his daughters.

Faith - Well, my daughter got nothing.

Wim - No? ..... Okay...... Well then ....

Faith - And I was very upset about that.

Wim - Aah ..okay. Were you promised anything from that?

Faith - No ... ah ......I am trying to remember. I guess when that guy called. I talked to him and he told me he had given some money for Kathy and for Shawnn, my daughter.

Wim - Well, ...... was it not for Kathy and his ex-wife?

Faith - No .....

Wim - You know, I am a little bit fuzzy about this because this was way before I came in on the scene.

Faith - Yeah well, Kathy ..

Wim - But I can look it up, ... and I can email it to you ...

Faith - Well yeah, I was kind of upset, because my daughter could have used some money too. Because I had it really rough when he went to jail. And I had to take care of my kids, and work, and it wasn't easy and it would have been nice for his daughter to get some money too.

Wim - Well I know, I think he is fond of both of his daughters, right?

Faith - Yeah, he thought it went to both of his daughters, but it didn't, it just went to the one. Because my daughter got nothing.

Wim - Yeah, well, I have to look it up. Because I have it in emails or in writing. Bob Vernon at the time wrote it all down. Because there were also people that claim "Yeah, he asked money for his story". But I think it was offered to him, if I remember correctly, he didn't ask for nothing but when it was offered to him by Dick Clark he said okay, it will go to my daughters. To my daughter, or to my daughter and ex-wife, something like that, but I can look it up, I could let you know.

Faith - Well, I know I didn't get anything, and my daughter didn't get anything, and I don't think he would have given anything to his first ex-wife, cause he doesn't like her.

Wim - No, but she still likes him I believe.

Faith - I don't know.

Wim - How did I get that in my head? Well, yeah, I have read it somewhere. I can look that up too. ... Oh yeah, because I think she didn't want him to get involved in the JFK story because she thought it could hurt his appeal or strenghten his sentence. I think, yeah, there 's a story that she even wanted to discredit him. Yeah, because she invented a story with the lawyer at that time, that he had a twin brother ......and well ...

Faith - Well, I thought he had a twin brother too that died at birth..

Wim - Oh? That's interesting. That died at birth?

Faith - Yeah.

Wim - Where did you hear that? From himself, or ....?

Faith - Yeah, from him. And that's why I thought when I saw on television that they said ....

Wim - Well anyway, it couldn't have been his twin brother that was in Dallas instead of him.

Faith - No, when his brother was supposed to have died when he was born and he lived, you know? And that was why I was wondering that maybe the one birth certificate said he died at birth .... and that he was supposed to have a twin that died at birth ........?

Wim - Yeah, because his birth certificate .. I have never seen that birth certificate .... supposedly it said "deceased at birth", right? But that's James Files ... was his twin brother also called James Files then?

Faith - I doubt it.

Wim - Or James Sutton?

Faith - No .... I don't know if they named it ... I don't know ...... but uhm ... I don't wanna get threatened or get killed if I talk to you .....

Wim - Ooh ..... Well, are you concerned?

Faith - Well yeah , a little ...

Wim - Well uhh, that's good! (laughing) because that proves that Jimmy is not a hoax, right? If you're concerned about talking to me ....

Faith - Yeah well ....

Wim - Well, I'm not concerned at all , to be honest ... cause I've never been threathened ... and as long as they are succesful in painting Jimmy a kook that's just telling a story for 15 minutes of fame, then ... you know, nothing will ever happen. And besides, you know, you can't keep threathening ... you can't keep killing them all! You know, that's'.... that's too much a risk. They haven't killed Jimmy!

Faith - Yeah ... well, that would make it plausible then (laughing)

Wim - Yeah, yeah, that's what everybody says....Oh, if they kill him I really believe the story! I mean, it's really stupid. Besides there are many more people that know about this ... aah ... and are alive, you know. Maybe the only difference with Jimmy is that they are not talking. But for example they just released this Cuban, Luis Posada Carilles, he blew up a plane in 1976 together with Orlando Bosch. Both of these guys, you know, were on Dealey Plaza. I know that from another source. Jimmy doesn't know about that, but they were both on Dealey Plaza. And Luis Posada Carilles remembers Jimmy from the Bay of Pigs. He vaguely remembers him and said : Yeah I always used to say: Let the kid do it! The kid from Chicago..... Well he certainly was a kid at that time.... because he was only, well what was he? 19 , 20, when he was training the guys for the Bay of Pigs?

Faith - Yeah I guess ..

Wim - But you know, they are alive and there are many more people alive that were in Dallas that day, that know exactly about the plot to kill Kennedy. Aah, like Charles Harrelson, he was in jail, he died just recently, just a few months ago ..

Faith - Is that Woody Harrelson's father?

Wim - Yes ...yes, he was in Dallas and well.. Jimmy doesn't know anything about him ... he didn't see him there, but you know, they didn't know about each other because they were in different teams and it was a need-to-know operation.. That to me also enhances Jimmy's credibility. Because he says: The only thing I know is my instructions from Charles Nicoletti.

Faith - Mmmm ..

Wim - And he doesn't know there were more teams....... As far as he is concerned he and Charles Nicoletti were the only shooters that day.

Faith - Mmmm ..

Wim - But that's surely not the case, because there were many witnesses that saw people with rifles in the Texas school depository window. So there were also shooters there, but that was a different team.

Faith - Mmm , yeah ......

Wim - And there was maybe one more team, a third team .... because I also think there was a shooter on the roof ... of another building, ... the County Records building

Faith - Wow ....

Wim - And uh ... Jimmy does not know about all that, so that to me proves that indeed he has not read a lot about the JFK assassination

Faith - Mmmm ..

Wim - When he told his story, ofcourse people started writing him, sending him books and articles, that's when he learned more about the assassination ... but not before.... But uuh, no, I don't think you should be concerned, at all. I mean I have been active with this story for six years, and in those six years I have been to the United States at least four times... without any trouble.

Faith - Yeah .... and another thing: Well, is...,I don't know how to say this ..

Wim - Well, take your time ...

Faith - Well, aah...I would want, ... I wouldn't want people to know ... who I am now?

Wim - Oh, no no no, you can rely on my confidence.. No that is how ...

Faith - Well (interrupting) .. go ahead.

Wim - Sorry?

Faith - What were you going to say?

Wim - No ... if you ask me .. you know, I will only use things with your explicit permission.

Faith - mmm, okay

Wim - You know, if you like you can ask Jimmy about this... I know things about Jimmy that he doesn't want the world to know .... and I haven't broken that confidence, you know. Other murders he did for example. So ... if I could not be trusted , I would already have told the world about that. ... So that's how I work.

Faith - Well, I don't even know how to get hold of him.

Wim - No?

Faith - No.

Wim - Well, you can write him a letter!

Faith - Yeah, I guess my mother knows where he is, the address where he is.

Wim - Well, I have his address. I can email you some letters where his address is, and where his inmate number is above the letter.

Faith - Oh, okay.

Wim - Have you ..... Did your relationship with him really go sour?

Faith - Well, after he was arrested and in jail for I don't know, maybe five years or so, we decided that I should just get a divorce. So I got a divorce.

Wim - And was that uuh ... on his recommendation?

Faith - Yeah, he didn't want me to wait around for him, because he didn't know how long he would be in.

Wim - Well... Oh, that's a rather nice and altruistic thought! I mean lots of women would say: Honey, I don't care how long you are in, I will keep waiting for you! But I guess what Jimmy then said, is the more realistic approach.

Faith - Yeah, because he didn't know what was going to happen, so he just ... you know.

Wim - Yeah ....

Faith - He was thinking about me....

Wim - Yeah, yeah, very good. Well, you know, that's what I like about Jimmy. You received my letter, right? Where I said a crook with a heart?

Faith - Yeah (laughs)

Wim - That's what he is, right?

Faith - Yeah, when he cared about people he really cared about them. You couldn't have a better friend.

Wim - Yeah, he is also very religious now ......

Faith - I guess so ..

Wim - Did you know that?

Faith - I uuh, I heard it.

Wim - And have you seen any of his drawings and pictures?

Faith - Aah, well, he used to send us cards. So yeah, we have that.

Wim - Well, he also does drawings. I have about 50 drawings of him.

Faith - Oh wow.

Wim - Some are cartoons and some are really realistic drawings. With flowers, or the jungle or helicopters... I can send you pictures of those too. They are on my website.

Faith - Well, do you want my email address then?

Wim - Yes, please, yes ... because I could send you lots of stuff , I would like to communicate with you over time

Faith - Okay.. It's xxxxxxx

Wim - Okay, then I wil also send you the interviews over the Internet , where he speaks about Eleanore. But that's an interview from 1994, a long time ago, and that's more, he tells more about his private life. Because they ask him about that. You know, they try to corroborate his Dallas story by asking him about people he knew at the time and whether they could contact them.

Faith - mmm, yeah, okay

Wim - Oh yeah, there was one more question that springs to mind: Did you know about his relationship with Charles Nicoletti?

Faith - Yes ... I met Nicoletti one day.

Wim - And Jimmy introduced him to you?

Faith - Well, he came in our restaurant, we had a restaurant. That was in Melrose Park.

Wim - Is that the Coffee Cup?

Faith - Ahah, and Mr. Nicoletti came in there, and Jim left with him. And I couldn't ask him anything that was going on, he just ... you know...

Wim - Did he generally keep you out of his contacts with Nicoletti? Was this just a rare occassion?

Faith - Oh yeah! That was rare.

Wim - Okay, but you knew that they were associating, that they were good friends ......

Faith - Yeah .... and the night that Nicoletti was killed, Jim was beside himself. He said that he should have been with him and he was really upset.

Wim - Yes, well, that was one of the rare nights that he was not with him, right?

Faith - Yeah

Wim - Because I think that Nicoletti didn't want him with him.

Faith - That night I guess, I don't know, I know that he wasn't with him and when he found out about it, he was upset and left the house.

Wim - Do you also know about his torture? That he was found almost dead?

Faith - Yes, he was kidnapped, out of the Coffee Cup, and I didn't see him, I don't know how long it was, it was a couple of days I think, and finally the police brought him home..

Wim - Yes, and he was in really bad shape I guess..

Faith - Yes, mmmm

Wim - Did you see him right after?

Faith - Yeah

Wim - Was he beaten up?

Faith - Yes, and his arms had marks and he was even tied up.

Wim - Mmm, okay, and did you take care of him at that time?

Faith - Yeah ...

Wim - Where did he recuperate? Just at home?

Faith - Yeah, at home

Wim - With you?

Faith - Yeah

Wim - Okay, do you also know anything about the diary? Probably not huh?

Faith - He mentioned it once.

Wim - That Nicoletti gave him a diary?

Faith - Yes, that's where he went that night, to get it.

Wim - What? Which night? The night that he was kidnapped?

Faith - No, the night Nicoletti was killed.

Wim - Aah, the night Nicoletti was killed? I don't understand now. You're saying that's where he went that night?

Faith - Yeah, after he heard about it. He went out, and I think it was to get the diary and I think he destroyed it.

Wim - Oh, after he was tortured, he went out, right?

Faith - No, after he heard that Nicoletti was killed. I think. I'm not sure ...

Wim - Okay .... no, what he tells is that he hid the diary, somewhere, that he buried it somewhere, and after Nicoletti was killed .. uhh yeah, he went back I believe. No no, after Nicoletti was killed, he then hid the diary. I'm not sure now ....... I have to rewatch it, what he said.

Faith - Yeah, I'm not positive either about everything, I'm just trying to remember things.

Wim - Yeah, well, what I remember is only from what he said in the interviews, and I think it went like this: Nicoletti gave him the diary, and said: Keep this as a sort of life insurance. Someday you might need it. And he buried it somewhere and then three weeks after Nicoletti was killed, he was kidnapped by ... some government people ... he doesn't know really what they were, CIA or FBI, he thinks it was FBI because the CIA would really have killed him and then .....

Faith - They used a cattle prod on him, he said.

Wim - Yeah, it was a severe torture. He also thinks that they left him for dead. They thought he was dead. But he wasn't dead. And the CIA or the mob would have made sure he would have been dead. That's why he thinks it was the FBI. But what I wanted to say is that these people wanted the diary. They wanted to know where the diary was.

Faith - Oh, so maybe .....

Wim - And Jimmy didn't tell them! So that's really character I would say!

Faith - Yeah, so maybe he just went out looking for people the night that Nicoletti was killed, maybe that's what it was. He may have went looking for people to find out the answer, and then, maybe it was after he was kidnapped that he went out ...

Wim - Yeah, I think he went back and then destroyed some of the contents of the package. But he kept the diary. But there was also the motorcade route and the secret service credentials.

Faith - Oh, was that what that was all about?

Wim - Yeah, from Dallas! He says that was also in there, but he says he disposed of that. He destroyed that, he burned all that. I don't really know if that's true but..

Faith - I don't know, he told me he destroyed it.

Wim - Well, you know ... that's probably safer for you .....and for everybody ... to tell that he destroyed it. I mean the more people that know he still has it ... you know.

Faith - Mmm

Wim - They still want it, I guess.

Faith - Oh wow, but he said he destroyed it.

Wim - Well yeah, okay, It's good for you to believe he destroyed it, I think.

Faith - (laughs)

Wim - Because if those people believe that he told you (where the diary is) .. then, you know, something might happen to you ... You might be kidnapped! (laughs)

Faith - I know nothing!

Wim - Well, that's probably why he said he destroyed it. I am sure he never disclosed the location of where that diary is to anyone.

Faith - I am surprised since you're talking to him, he hasn't told you (laughs).

Wim - Well, he also has some penpal girlfriend, or had, I don't know how the relationsip is now, but he entrusted her a lot, a girl from Hawaii, and he never told her anything. I asked him about it. Why not Pam, because her name is Pam, why don't you tell her? And then he explained to me: Well, if I tell her, she would probably be dead in the next 48 hours.

Faith - Oh!

Wim - So you know, yeah, that's a good reason I guess. And he's right! I mean if they tortured him to death, or they thought they tortured him to death, then yeah, they would probably go far. So I think it's probably a very altruistic thing to not share it with anybody.

Faith - Yeah I guess so. But aah, are you going to make money off of this?

Wim - Ah well, you know, so far I have INVESTED a lot of money into this. And uh ... I would have to do really well to get that money back! (laughs) But on the other hand I also have to say that I have some DVDs on the market now, and I recently finished my ... well .. opus magnus I would call it, a comprehensive work, it's 2 hours, a comprehensive documentary where all the evidence is presented in a clear way. And well, I still have good confidence that I can market that. So the question "Are you making money off this" is really difficult to answer, because, well, the situation is that so far it has costed me a lot of money. And I am selling some DVDs and some books on my website, but that's, you know, really a drop in the ocean. It's like a dripping tab, while it could be Niagara Falls. But it all comes together with the right backing and the right distribution of mainstream publishers. And mainstream publishers, it seems they don't wanna touch on this story. You know? It's too hot to handle! But I am still confident that I may find a really courageous distributor, or maybe a rich millionaire in the Hollywood business that wants to take this on. Because I think it touches on the integity of the whole American society.

Faith - Oh yeah, if they find out that the CIA had something to do with it, it's really .....

Wim - Yeah, I guess you don't know anything about that, that Jimmy was connected with the CIA?

Faith - Well .... (pause of thinking) ... not really.

Wim - Because it's his job to keep quiet about that.

Faith - Yeah, but he did say, you know, he thought that the FBI had grabbed him. And I wonder how come? (laughs). Yeah, I didn't know much about what was going on..... But I did meet Wolfman.

Wim - Oh? Oh well, ..... did you also know that Wolfman was dead one week after Jimmy tried to introduce him to Joe West?

Faith - Well, I found out that he was dead, but I didn't realize, I had not had contact with Jim, I didn't know what he was doing, but I did find out that Wolfman had died, but I had no idea, you know , that it was becasue of that.

Wim - Well, you know, you can never be sure it was because of that. It's just a coincidence that after 4 days, or 5 days, within a week after Jimmy tried to have him talk to Joe West, he is dead. That's also in the interview, I don't know if you have seen it yet ....

Faith - Well, yeah, I don't know if I saw that or if I read it.

Wim - But Wolfman's real name was George, right?

Faith - Right.

Wim - George Collura.

Faith - Oh, that's it! I couldn't remember his last name.

Wim - I tried to find anything on him on the Internet, but you know, he was really a secret person. I would think I would find some entry when he was the special weapons guy for the mob and for Giancana and all those guys, I would think I find something on him, but nothing...

Faith - Well, he was over at our house a couple of times. Cause he was I thought a friend of Jim. And we saw him once in a while and in fact one day in our restaurant I got really upset with him because he shot a mouse in our restaurant.

Wim - He shot a what?

Faith - A mouse.

Wim - A mouse? Oh, a mouse ... an animal.

Faith - Yeah, a mouse, he shot it when it ran out of his little hole. I mean when there were no customers in there, thank God!. But I was in there and they were talking about shooting it, and I said: Don't do it!

Wim - Did you also know that Wolfman was really specialized in weapons?

Faith - I knew that he knew a lot about weapons yeah, but I didn't know how come or anything, no. I just knew...., well, Jim liked weapons too, you know...... I saw his Fireball.

Wim - You saw his Fireball?

Faith - Yeah

Wim - But that was stolen right? From his aunt's house?

Faith - Well probably. I saw it when we were living together, when we were married. He lived with my aunt after he got out of jail.

Wim - After he got out of jail?

Faith - Yeah, Oxford.

Wim - Oh, so that was very late then. That was 1988.... when he came out of that jail.

Faith - I don't remember.

Wim - Aah, because this other guy, Bob Vernon, says that aunt Christine practically raised him as a boy.

Faith - Who?

Wim - Aunt Christine.

Faith - Oh Christine. But my aunt was the one he was living with in Round Lake. And that was Kay.

Wim - Oh yeah, Kay and Arnold.

Faith - Yeah.

Wim - They died too. Which is a real shame, yeah, they had a storage shed where Jimmy kept all his papers.

Faith - mmm

Wim - And nobody knows where that went. Jimmy thinks that this Vernon guy took it all and that he returned only a fraction of it. Because there were a few cartons, a few boxes of papers and he got only a legal size envelope back of him.

Faith - mmm

Wim - So he thinks I have them now, but the papers that he describes are certainly not in there. Because he talks about manuals on how to make bombs and things like that and I haven't found anything like that in there. And also a map of Dealey Plaza was in there. Well, I wish I would have it! (laughs) No, what I have is all documents that were authored by Vernon himself .... and some rapsheets of Jimmy. But not much more ...

Faith - Well ... I don't know.

Wim - Well, so far I really appreciate having made the aquaintance with you and ... well I don't know what to say more at this point. But I think lots of questions will keep coming up when we digest it.

Faith - Yeah , okay

Wim - And we can keep communicating by email.

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For a complete interview (27 pages) with Tosh Plumlee, see the book: Files on JFK

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